Serial blasts and firing in Mumbai

[Indian Gunner]

India's financial capital and amongst the biggest cities in the world, Mumbai, has been targetted by terrorists again. Initial reports suggest 4 serial blasts in different parts of the city(Vile Parle, Santa Cruz, a top restaurant among others) and some terrorists have managed to get into two of the well known 5 star hotels, the Taj and Oberoi with AK-47's. They have been firing blindly and now the Police have cordoned off the areas. There are 9 places in this city where firing is still going on between the terrorists and the police.

This is the first time that besides serial blasts, terrorists have come out in the open and that to in a city like Mumbai. When will these imbecile twats understand they will gain nothing by killing innocent people. To see your people die like this is unbearable. Why doesn't India target terrorist camps in Afghanistan and Pakistan? For how ****ing long do we bear this bloodshed! The US has started operations inside Pakistan, what are we waiting for! I've had enough of this sh*t. Terrorists should be burnt alive.



LATEST

More than 156 people confirmed dead....350 injured. the numbers could rise.
Top cop Vijay Salaskar shot dead
The Navy is closing in on the waters of Gateway of India in Mumbai
ATS chief dead
Additional Commissioner of police shot dead
Unconfirmed reports say that the outfit behind these attacks could be DECCAN MUJAHIDEEN
The Oberoi hotel secured by NSG(national security guards)
The Nariman House secured by NSG
Encounter still on in the Taj Mahal Palace hotel
The US and Britain have condemned the attacks in Mumbai
England cricket team to leave back for England
Champions league 20-20 cancelled

[The Fuzz]

Are you sure


My dad is at the Taj for dinner


Oh **** oh **** oh ****

[Indian Gunner]

Yes mate... call him up quick... the situation is quite grim now in the whole of Mumbai.

[The Fuzz]

It was at Cafe Leopod as well ....I was there a couple of hours ago


My hands are shaking

Oh **** Oh ****

Cant get in touch with him

[Indian Gunner]

The networks are jammed it seems... don't worry... keep on trying.

[The Fuzz]

bombs in VT mazgaon docks.......Metro Cinema

I was there an hour or 2 ago

O

No nonooono

Terrorists holed up at VT terminus ...oh **** oh ****

[Indian Gunner]

I can't understand how about 10 terrorists managed to get into a 5 star hotel where the security is always stiff.

[The Fuzz]

What should i Do ...phone lines jammed .....

[Indian Gunner]

the best you could do is keep trying mate... don't panic... he'd be fine...

[The Fuzz]

God save us ....Mumbai overrun with these bastards

[WhoIzzet]

Jesus Andu I hope your old man is OK.

[The Fuzz]

Bombs at Ville parle


I bloody live there......i heard it ...oh ****

[Indian Gunner]

And you know what... after Iraq, India has had the most number of casualties due to terror strikes. Why do they do this? Don't they have a heart? Isn't there anyone in their lives whom they love and care about? Why Mumbai... hardly had we gotten over the serial blasts in local trains and we get this... if terrorists can do this to a massive city like Mumbai, no place in this world is safe.

[The Fuzz]

Ok

Blasts and gunfire at


Vt station
Cafe Leopod
Colaba
Taj hotel
Oberoi
Camma hospital
Ville Parle


Im gonna puke

[C-T-F-C Warlord]

Is Hotel Palace still near VT station.

I hope your father is okay.

[The Fuzz]

Yeah right there


EDIT---Another blast near my house ...I saw the flash and my cars alarm has gone off




Still no news from dad .



God help us

[WhoIzzet]

Are you watching TV Andu?

We haven't had reports of another blast yet.

Sure hope you and your family get out of this OK.

[The Fuzz]

How could this happen ...

Are you watching TV Andu?

We haven't had reports of another blast yet.

Sure hope you and your family get out of this OK.

TV and word of mouth

[Indian Gunner]

Initial reports suggest atleast 16 people are dead. The numbers could rise alarmingly.

[Ilsinho]

I really hope your old man is well

[The Fuzz]

Reports that a police van has been hijacked

[Indian Gunner]

The terrorists are equipped with machineguns and AK 47's... this is a black day in India's history. Bloodshed everywhere. May God help our city.

[The Fuzz]

Reports that ---10 british and americans have been taken hostages

[C-T-F-C Warlord]

Nothing on the news here.

[WhoIzzet]

Yeah, according to a Sky News witness, the terrorists were shouting "Are there any British or Americans"?

[Indian Gunner]

Which channel are you watching andu? Even the BBC and CNN are now breaking this news.

[The Fuzz]

Local marathi ones and times now

and a whole load of SMS flying around

[Indian Gunner]

IBN7 is giving great coverage...

[The Fuzz]

YOU think i give a flyn F^ck

[Indian Gunner]

no... just to let you know...

[The Fuzz]

b^st^rds attcking hospitals


Madarchods bhainchod

[Indian Gunner]

I'm hearing that those bastards took a van and started firing blindly on those around.

[The Fuzz]

IG i cant bliev it..no word from my dad as yet


I think he should be safe


any family in bbay IG ? Landlines are woking

[WhoIzzet]

Holy Christ... Times Of India reporting 80 dead. :(

[The Fuzz]

My My


Dad is safe ..just got a SMS oh oh oh

[Indian Gunner]

We stay in Mumbai mate. My entire family. My MTNL landline is working but most mobile networks are down.

EDIT:- Good to know your dad is alright.

[Indian Gunner]

My my... A hugh explosion heard at the Taj rooftop... an attempt to blow off the best hotel in Mumbai?

[The Fuzz]

Im sorry where you ??


Taj dome is on fire

Oh shit Oh shit

If this was at peak hours i would have been over

[Indian Gunner]

I'm in North Mumbai(Kandivali to be precise)... I'm a management student in Narsee Monjee college, Vile Parle. Where are you?

[The Fuzz]

I'm in North Mumbai(Kandivali to be precise)... I'm a management student in Narsee Monjee college, Vile Parle. Where are you?

SantaCruz

I was at parle an hour ago and was sposed to be at Leos


Dude ****

[Indian Gunner]

Damn it... Times Now is reporting that 2 terrorists have been shot dead near the chowpati area. A live bomb has been discovered near the Taj hotel. Dude, this terror operation is massive. This strike is unprecedented. The whole of India is on high alert. CM Vilasrao Deshmukh is in Kerala and is rushing back to Mumbai. PM Manmohan Singh has condemned the attack.

[The Fuzz]

Oooh Manmohan has condemned the attacks ...thank god ...i can sleep now



The CM is a C*unt..he deserves to die


Call the Army ..marshall law in Bbay

[DG]

Jesus christ about 45 minutes ago Sky News said that up to 3 had died, now it's increasing minute after minute.

Thank god your dad is ok Andu.

[The Fuzz]

2 M@ther F*ckers shot dead near Chowpatty

[C-T-F-C Warlord]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7751160.stm

[Indian Gunner]

I can't believe this andu. The old taj building, which epitomises this great city and one of the biggest tourist attractions in Mumbai could be lost forever.

[Indian Gunner]

TIMES NOW speculates that around 200 people have been admitted to a single hospital alone. Many of them are serious. The number of deceased could go up monumentally. I won't be able to sleep tonight.

[The Fuzz]

They attacked Cama HOSPITAL



:flame:

The guys were 20-25 year olds


What going on ? God help us

[Martinho]

Scum of the earth. Glad your dad is alright Andu.

[The Fuzz]

UPdate--

Marriot at Juhu attacked by gunmen

Boat at The gateway of India explodes

[Indian Gunner]

60 CONFIRMED DEAD....

are you sure about Marriot andu? nothing's being said about that in the news...

[The Fuzz]

Another Bomb goes off at the Taj hotel


madness madness

EDIT---the Boat at the gateway did not go off ....It was just found

[Indian Gunner]

Another explosion in Taj... TIMES NOW reports. Total choas. We are living our worst nightmare.

[WhoIzzet]

Western hostage reports confirmed.

Plus, Sky is saying that at least 40 are dead.

Bastards, absolute bastards.

[UNITED]

Another Bomb goes off at the Taj hotel


madness madness

:no: this is paphetic:angryfire

[The Fuzz]

Can the mods merge my posts ?

[DG]

What time is it in India at the moment?

These bombings could go on forever.

[Indian Gunner]

TIMES NOW says there are unconfirmed reports of a shooting in another posh hotel in Mumbai, JW Marriot. A boat carrying arms and ammunition found in the waters of Gateway of India. UNBEVIEVABLE.

It's nearly 1.30 am

[Indian Gunner]

I'm updating my first post...

[The Fuzz]

Oberoi hotel is going to be stormed By 30 naval Commandoes


WHY THE F*UCK IS THIS ON THE NEWS ???

[RedRed]

Reuters now report 80 dead and 250 injured. :eeek:eeek

.

[Indian Gunner]

Firing reported in JUHU area.

[Indian Gunner]

Nobody knows at this point whats happening inside the hotels... there are many people trapped with armed terrorists. Can't believe this. Our people have to pay such a hugh price for no reason.

EDIT:- ATS CHIEF KARKARE INJURED IN THE EXPLOSION

[The Fuzz]

Ramada and JW maybe under attack ...UNCONFIRMED

[Indian Gunner]

Home minister Shivraj Patil is giving a statement.

[The Fuzz]

Home minister Shivraj Patil is giving a statement.

Im sorry I condemn the deaths...those who are responsible willl be dealt with :blah:blah:blah:blah:blah shit head



Abu Azmi blamed the Police for the attack ..the media left and now have blacked him out

[Indian Gunner]

This is terrible man. Encounter specialist Vijay Salasker has been shot dead.

[The Fuzz]

This is terrible man. Encounter specialist Vijay Salasker has been shot dead.

Just heard it ...he was our best.........I bet he was using a bloody glock

Our men are woefully underequipped

[Indian Gunner]

The navy is closing in on the waters of Gateway of India.

[Indian Gunner]

BLAST REPORTED NEAR MANTRALAYA

[The Fuzz]

Rumors..its been dismissed


HEMANT KARKARE is dead ..He was the Head of the Anti-Terror Squad


:(

[Indian Gunner]

wtf!!! ATS CHIEF HEMANT KARKARE DEAD!!! IS THIS FOR REAL???

[shippersCTFC]

Only just found this, glad to here you boys and Andu's father is safe.
I hope things cool down soon lads.

[DG]

Where are you getting all these reports from mate?

[Indian Gunner]

^local news channels here in India mate(IBN7, Aaj tak, Times Now, CNN IBN, NDTV)

[The Fuzz]

CNN IBN and Times NOW

[Juanderful]

Keep us updated.

[C-T-F-C Warlord]

BBC states (unconfirmed) that 80 people are dead with up to 250 injuries.

[DG]

CNN IBN and Times NOW

^local news channels here in India mate(IBN7, Aaj tak, Times Now, CNN IBN, NDTV)

:thumb:thumb:thumb

[Indian Gunner]

Additional Commissioner of Police shot dead.

[The Fuzz]

IT seems that all hostages have been taking to the most expensive suites in the TAJ ....All Firangs apparently

The top floor of the Taj is now on fire


I dont believe it

[Indian Gunner]

And it's being reported that the most expensive suit is on fire!

[Indian Gunner]

Another Live bomb detected near Taj... it could explode anytime. A massive fire is seen on one of the floors in the hotel. Lets hope there's nobody in there.

[cambridgefan28]

has any one claimed it was the terroists that is?

[The Fuzz]

3 Bodies taken out of the TAJ ....Not confiimed who they are

The worse maybe over :(

cambridge......No one has taken responsibility as yet ....not surprised...not the norm here



Sorry i was nervous

[Indian Gunner]

has any one claimed it was the terroists that is?

It has been confirmed by the chief commissioner of Police that the series of bomb blasts and firing is a terrorist act.

EDIT:- Around 200 people are trapped on the first floor of the Taj including women and children. Nobody knows whats happening there.

[Juanderful]

3 Bodies taken out of the TAJ ....Not confiimed who they are

The worse maybe over :(

Lets hope so. You guys are in my thoughts

[cambridgefan28]

i mean groups of terrorists?
thinking of you guys and everybody alse shocking really shocking

[Indian Gunner]

Lets hope so. You guys are in my thoughts

Thanks mate... with tears rolling down my eyes I beg to God to bless the souls of those who have sacrificed their lives for my beloved motherland.

[The Fuzz]

i mean groups of terrorists?
soz i was not clear enough

read my post


It is not the norm here for groups to take responsibilities



A second for HEMNAD KARKARE the man who lead from the front A man who chose to lead the operation himself

:clap::clap::clap:


I salute you sir

[Indian Gunner]

read my post


It is not the norm here for groups to take responsibilities



A second for HEMNAD KARKARE the man who lead from the front A man who chose to lead the operation himself

:clap::clap::clap:


I salute you sir


He's a hero. Led from the front and submitted his life for the nation. We are proud of you dear Sir!

[Ilsinho]

Stunned

[Indian Gunner]

The Army has surrounded the Taj Hotel... massive military operations expected to start any moment. Lets keep our fingers crossed.

[The Fuzz]

IG on news 24 Terrorist caught in Camera...Hate in his eyes...almost like the 7/7 bombers

Gonna try and get a shot on the net

[Posh Josh]

Shocking, absolutely shocking.... :no: :cry:

[Indian Gunner]

@ andu
Yea... please... I can't bear this anymore mate...

[The Fuzz]

The army has surrounded the trident hotel around 200 personal

And naval comandoes are going to storm the Hotel

[Indian Gunner]

4 terrorists have been shot dead in the Oberoi hotel.

[The Fuzz]

I got the picture


Picture of the madman (http://maharashtratimes.indiatimes.com/articleshowpics/3761459.cms)



Hate in his eyes :(

[Indian Gunner]

gosh! he's scary...looks insane and mentally unstable...

BREAKING NEWS:- The group behind the attacks could be DECCAN MUJAHIDEEN... unconfirmed

[The Fuzz]

UPDATE


Deccan Mujahideen has claimed responsibility for the attacks

They sent e-mails to all news channel

This is an unknown organization but IMO splinter of the Indian Mujahideen

[WhoIzzet]

It must be absolutely terrible to have your home city torn apart by heartless bastards.

I can only imagine how scary the situation is for both of you guys. I can only hope and pray that a resolution is near.

[Indian Gunner]

The Army has entered the hotel... lets hope for the best.

The US and Britain have condemned the attacks in Mumbai.

[The Fuzz]

One more Explosion heard outside the Taj

Reports that this could be such a flashbang or some such controlled explosion ( the live bomb that was to be defused)


The Taj will be stormed now

[DonnyOsmond]

Andu, where's your dad now?

[MUFC_Boydie]

horrible, truly horrible. :no:

my thoughts are with those who have sacrificed their lives and those whose lives are now at great risk.

[The Fuzz]

Andu, where's your dad now?

No word ...I got an SMS a while back that he was getting treatment...He said it was nuin serious..just a formality :thumb




The Taj is being stormed ..the lights have been turned off in the Taj

[Indian Gunner]

yea... they showed around 12 army men entering the Taj... may God be with them.

[The Fuzz]

A bit of a lull now ....lots of gunfire

[MUFC_Boydie]

andu can u see/hear all this happening from where u are?

[Indian Gunner]

Atleast 3 foreigners taken hostage. Some channels are saying that the aim of the attackers was to target foreigners.

[The Fuzz]

andu can u see/hear all this happening from where u are?

No mate this is in South bombay ..I got there everyday though


I heard one blast



UPDATE

3 foreigners have been held hostage confirmed

a belgian an Indonesian 3rd one is not known

This is at the trident hotel

[Martinho]

I hope the scum bags sh*t themselves when the lights went out, which is the obvious sign the building is being stormed.

What are the actual objectives of the terrorists?

[The Fuzz]

I hope the scum bags sh*t themselves when the lights went out, which is the obvious sign the building is being stormed.

What are the actual objectives of the terrorists?

I have absolutely no Idea mate ...I have no idea :no:

[MUFC_Boydie]

whatever their objective, they are monsters, pure evil, and should be treat as such.

[Taffy]

Have India got soldiers in either Iraq or Afghanistan Andu ?
Just wondering if your country was targetted as a result of their involvement in the war.

[Irish White]

Shocking.

This is the first I've heard of this all day.

Glad to hear your family is safe Andu.

[Indian Gunner]

The number of injured has risen to 900.

[The Fuzz]

Have India got soldiers in either Iraq or Afghanistan Andu ?
Just wondering if your country was targetted as a result of their involvement in the war.

Not sizable numbers mate ....they are there more to protect the workers there

India has been a target of hostility from groups in pakistan and bangladesh ..Its just been like that


I must note that this time high profile targets were chosen

3 Five Stars hotel ,a place near the Airport,and a station in Mumbai's most expensive areas,a upmarket cafe and a famous theater

Not the common man who was attacked...seems more focussed on the foreigners and high society

:hmmm

[Taffy]

How far are you from the blasts ?

[Indian Gunner]

Times Now says the terrorists were actually looking to target the Britons and Americans

[The Fuzz]

Im quite a bit away from the main sites ...check the map i posted on the page earlier


One bomb went of near my house ( the airport one )

[The Fuzz]

IG see if its possible

Im stepping out to go donate some blood

[Indian Gunner]

Most of the guests have been brought out... this is welcome news...

@andu
Yea... they are in need of blood in JJ hospital if I'm not wrong...

[Indian Gunner]

OMG!!! hugh explosions happening at the Taj hotel... this is devastating!!

[The Fuzz]

Im on my handheld ...whats going on ?? the Dome is out ?


****

[MUFC_Boydie]

how long is this likely to last?

[milburn990]

Horrifying.....andu / Gunner my thoughts are with yous

[SFO Saint]

Sick sick bastards. It reminds me of 9/11 again. :no:

Thoughts with the people affected.

[The Fuzz]

Meh clinic refused to take my blood



UPDATE---

One corner of The Taj is on fire ....Gun shots are also being fired


A huge spurt of flame in one side ...as a bomb has gone of

[Indian Gunner]

It's 3.30 am now and nobody's sleeping here... a landmark which signifies Mumbai's heritage is up in flames...fire fighters are now closing in...

how long is this likely to last?
Can't say yet... the operation is still on...

[Never Alone]

My thoughts are with you and the people affected by this tradegy, andu. I'm glad your father is OK. Any ideas on whether this was carried out by Pakistani militants? Just heard that they were targeting Westerners.

[MUFC_Boydie]

mumbai will never truly be the same again, as you say its a truly dark night for india.

[The Fuzz]

My thoughts are with you and the people affected by this tradegy, andu. I'm glad your father is OK. Any ideas on whether this was carried out by Pakistani militants? Just heard that they were targeting Westerners.

Im inclined to believe that....but they are definitely sleeper cells that operate in India


I mean 12 -13 terrorists executing such a operation is ridiculous

Really exposes India soft underbelly :no:

This is Indias financial capital

[The Fuzz]

mumbai will never truly be the same again, as you say its a truly dark night for india.

Death toll wise this wont even make the top three :no:

That is the saddest part

[Never Alone]

Has your government released any indication of what they plan to do in response? Brown's already talking about some kind of retaliation. Should this crime have been carried out by Pakistani militants the already fragile situation in Pakistan could really blow up. Are the terrorists on the verge of being liquidated now? Only hearing reports of gunfire in a certain location rather than all over the shot?

[Indian Gunner]

mumbai will never truly be the same again, as you say its a truly dark night for india.

Mumbai has always bounced back mate... even after the train blasts which killed over 150 people, Mumbaities were back to normal soon after. This is the spirit of the city mate. The efforts of terrorists to cripple the city will go in vain.

[The Fuzz]

Brown's already talking about some kind of retaliation.

Dunno about that...there is not really a big physical target to go after

Has your government released any indication of what they plan to do in response?

The usual "we will punish those who are responsible" crap
Nothing have ever been done after attacks of these sorts
But i am hopeful this will be the tipping point and the govt will get their act together

Are the terrorists on the verge of being liquidated now?


3 terrorists have been confirmed dead..2 more have been taken into custody ..details are sketchy on the rest

Only hearing reports of gunfire in a certain location rather than all over the shot?

All the scum were armed with AK-47 assault rifles and if my memory serves me right gunfights erupted at

1-Cafe Leopold
2-Metro Cinema
3-Victoria Terminus
4-The Taj Hotel
5-The Oberoi Hotel
6-Camma Hospital

Bombs went of in

1-Ville parle---Airport area (near my house)
2-Petrol pump in colaba
3-Taj hotel ( maybe 2)


Should this crime have been carried out by Pakistani militants the already fragile situation in Pakistan could really blow up.

My theory is that these are men trained in Paksitan occupied Kashmir or Bangladesh..who operate like sleeper cells in India...




UPDATE----


Fire has been doused at the Taj...and most guests seem to have been evacuated
No word on the Oberoi hotel as yet



4 am here

[Indian Gunner]

There is still a concern about Cama hospital. Terrorists could be hiding inside. Police say the situation outside is under control but they aren't sure about inside.

[The Fuzz]

There is still a concern about Cama hospital. Terrorists could be hiding inside. Police say the situation outside is under control but they aren't sure about inside.

All they are showing right now are rescue operations at the Taj ...and my eyes are struggling to stay open

[Indian Gunner]

There are unconfirmed reports about 2-3 terrorists holed up inside Cama hospital. They the the ones who killed Karkare and other top cops. I won't be able to sleep tonight mate...

[The Fuzz]

I have just heard the blast at the petrol pump is next to this house called Nariman house

Apparently Israeli Jews may have been killed here


all unconfirmed


The terrorists were living in this house and had had a feast earlier in the day


Again unconfirmed

[Indian Gunner]

Another blast! damn

[The Fuzz]

Where ? Nothing is on

EDIT



2 terrorists have been shot dead in the Taj hotel

[Indian Gunner]

I was referring to the petrol pump blast you were talking about... if there indeed was a blast there.

[The Fuzz]

I was referring to the petrol pump blast you were talking about... if there indeed was a blast there.

That was a bit ago


No word on the Oberoi Hotel :(

[Indian Gunner]

The last I heard was about 7 Spanish tourists having been taken hostage in Oberoi...

[DG]

F*ck sake :no:

What does these evil pricks want?

[One_John_Ryan]

Horrible stuff going on, really is. I hope it calms down soon and those injured recover soon. What scum these people are.

[The Fuzz]

F*ck sake :no:

What does these evil pricks want?

Kill foreigners clearly ...

Anyways without doubt Mumbai will shut down tommorow

No schools and colleges

[jacktclark]

Just watching it on BBC news now, its terrible. The evil b*****ds.

Have there been 7 locations targetted?

My heart goes out to the victims and their families.

[C-T-F-C Warlord]

What is the situation at the moment?

[Gibby]

80 dead more than 1100 injured ** EDIT **

this is from SKY NEWS

[The Fuzz]

What is the situation at the moment?


Another fire at the Taj hotel ...may be connected to the 2nd fire


Heavy gunfire at the Oberoi/Trident hotel

Reports that Terrorists are holed up in Camma Hospital and HOSPITAL FFS

[C-T-F-C Warlord]

The Taj hotel is just as famous as the Gateway to India monument.

[The Fuzz]

Yeah they are right next to each other

[C-T-F-C Warlord]

Yeah they are right next to each other

I know...I lived in India in 1997.

[jacktclark]

It said on BBC that there may be hostages in one of the buildings. Isnt the Army around there?

How far are you away from it all Andu / Indian Gunner?

[The Fuzz]

Indian Gunner is a long way of from the major blast sites and studies near the site of one of the blasts

I live about halfway there and right next to one of the blasts

[jacktclark]

Its just showing the gunmen on BBC news. They had AK47s. They look young guys.

[The Fuzz]

I have posted a pic earlier in this thread ;) Looks deranged

[jacktclark]

Yeah its the same one they had on BBC, and your right, he looks nuts...

[jacktclark]

Apparantly there are some hostages in the Taj Mahal Palace Hotel. Apparantly the Indian special forces got some out but there are still some left in - all per BBC

[TOM OAFC]

Glad to here your dad is ok Andu this is awful. I been working all night and heard nothing till i sae this thread on here.

below is what the BBC reports.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7751160.stm


Mumbai rocked by deadly attacks

Eyewitness reaction and local TV footage from the scene

Gunmen have carried out a series of co-ordinated attacks across the Indian city of Mumbai (Bombay), killing at least 80 people and injuring 250 more.

At least seven high-profile locations were hit in India's financial capital, including two luxury hotels where hostages are reported to be held.

A fire has destroyed part of the Taj Mahal Palace, Mumbai's most famous hotel, which is now ringed by troops.

Police said four suspected terrorists have been killed and nine arrested.


Flames and black smoke billow from the Taj Mahal Palace hotel, Mumbai

Attacks leave India reeling
Witnesses tell of violence
In pictures: Mumbai attacks

As day broke in Mumbai, the situation on the ground was still confused with reports of gunfire and explosions at between seven and 16 locations.

The city's main commuter train station, a hospital, a restaurant and two hotels - locations used by foreigners as well as local businessmen and leaders - are among those places caught up in the violence.

Commandos have now surrounded the two hotels, the Taj Mahal Palace and the Oberoi Trident, where it is believed that the armed men are holding dozens of hostages.

A BBC correspondent outside the Taj Mahal Palace said there had been a series of gun shots between police and the armed men, and that 11 officers were killed in the skirmishes.

Eyewitness reports suggest the attackers singled out British and American passport holders.

If the reports are true, our security correspondent Frank Gardner says it implies an Islamist motive - attacks inspired or co-ordinated by al-Qaeda.
See detailed map of the area

A claim of responsibility has been made by a previously unknown group calling itself the Deccan Mujahideen.

Our correspondent says it could be a hoax or assumed name for another group.

The motive is far from clear - but the attacks come amid elections in several Indian states, including in disputed Kashmir.

In the latest developments:

• Fire crews are evacuating people from the upper floors of the Taj Mahal Palace, from where smoke can still be seen billowing although the blaze has been extinguished

• The head of Mumbai's anti-terrorism unit and two other senior officers are among those killed, officials say

• The White House holds a meeting of top intelligence and counter-terrorism officials, and pledges to help the Indian government.

Gunmen opened fire at about 2300 local time (1730 GMT) at the sites in southern Mumbai.

Mumbai journalist: "Gunmen were looking for Westerners"

"The terrorists have used automatic weapons and in some places grenades have been lobbed," said AN Roy, police commissioner of Maharashtra state.

Local TV images showed blood-splattered streets, and bodies being taken into ambulances.

One eyewitness told the BBC he had seen a gunman opening fire in the Taj Mahal's lobby.

"We all moved through the lobby in the opposite direction and another gunman then appeared towards where we were moving and he started firing immediately in our direction."

One British tourist said she spent six hours barricaded in the Oberoi hotel.


BOMB ATTACKS IN INDIA IN 2008
30 October: Explosions kill at least 64 in north-eastern Assam
30 September: Blasts in western India kill at least seven
27 September: Bomb blasts kills one in Delhi
13 September: Five bomb blasts kill 18 in Delhi
26 July: At least 22 small bombs kill 49 in Ahmedabad
25 July: Seven bombs go off in Bangalore killing two people
13 May: Seven bomb hit markets and crowded streets in Jaipur killing 63

International reaction

"There were about 20 or 30 people in each room. The doors were locked very quickly, the lights turned off, and everybody just lay very still on the floor," she said.

There has been a wave of bombings in Indian cities in recent months which has left scores of people dead.

Most of the attacks have been blamed on Muslim militants, although police have also arrested suspected Hindu extremists.

Mumbai itself has also been attacked in the past: in July 2006 a series of bomb attacks on busy commuter trains killed almost 190 people and injured more than 700.

Police accused Pakistan's intelligence agency of planning those attacks, which they said were carried out by an Islamist militant group, Lashkar-e-Toiba.

Pakistan rejected the allegation, saying there was no evidence that its intelligence staff were involved.

But the latest shootings come at a time when ties between India and Pakistan have improved.

Just days ago Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari told a summit in Delhi that Pakistan would not be first to carry out a missile strike on India.

The two countries have a joint anti-terror mechanism whereby they are supposed to share information on terrorist attacks.

[RedRed]

Andu and IG, i just hope all your family, relatives and friends are safe after these horrible events.
Not much help at times like this i guess but my sadness goes out to all the victims and families, and my thoughts are with you all.
Stay strong guys.

.

[LinekerLegend]

OMG, This is the first i've heard of this :eeek Shocking news.

Glad to hear you are both ok Indian Gunner and Andu :thumb

R.I.P To those who died :(

[The Fuzz]

Reports are that this was a L-e-T operation planned and financed by "rogue" elements in Pakistan
The email claiming responsibility was sent from an IP from Russia ( of all places)
Reports that these men arrived by speedboats from Karachi


Hostage crises continues at the Trident hotel and Nariman House ( that houses a lot of Jews) still continues.
Eerie silence at the the Taj....bodies are being bought out...no idea who they are

:(

[Skippy]

Jeez. I heard about this on the news this morning, and my first though was ":eeek I wonder if Andu is caught up in this?"

Glad to hear your old man is ok. Terrorists = scum of the earth.

[The Fuzz]

UPDATE


7 britishers have been injured grievously and the tour has been called of


EDIT--

A rabbi has also been taken hostage at Nariman house

Aussie national has been shot dead

[Indian Gunner]

England cricket team to fly back to England
Champions league 20-20 has been cancelled
thanks RedRed and LL.

[Skippy]

UPDATE


7 britishers have been injured grievously and the tour has been called of


EDIT--

A rabbi has also been taken hostage at Nariman house

Aussie national has been shot dead


F*ck. This will be all over our news now.

[Indian Gunner]

One of the news channels claims all the terrorists are Pakistanis. Intelligence sources say foreign hand evident. UK high commission says 7 Britons hurt in attacks. 6 terrorists still holed up inside Nariman House.

[The Fuzz]

Just thought this was noteworthy

Heckler & Koch MP5s were used in this attack and not AK-47s


The MP5 is a brilliant close combat gun used by crack teams and very difficult to obtain on the black market
Also worth noting that these guns are also manufactured by an ordanance factory in PAKISTAN



EDIT ---Large explosion at the back of the Trident hotel
Gunfire at Nariman House


This is never going to end :(

[Martinho]

The armed British police carry MP5s.

[The Fuzz]

ERM----Hostage situation got bad

Greek yachting magnate something Liviurus has been shot dead

Confirmed news

Tried to google him ....no results :(




UPDATE ----

Hostage situation at the Taj is now over ...all hostages have been rescued..no word on the mujahideen as yet

[Juanderful]

I've been watching the news here all morning, awful scenes.
Stay strong lads and don't venture out

[Juanderful]

The latest off BBC News.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7751707.stm

Troops surrounded the premises shortly after armed men carried out a series of co-ordinated attacks across the city, killing 101 people and injuring 287.

Police say four suspected terrorists have been killed and nine arrested.

[The Fuzz]

A bit of bad news ...

My dad friend who is the GM of the Taj who lived on the 6th floor of the Taj maybe be dead :no: This just got real :(



Update--


3 blasts in under a minute in the Trident Hotel ...not sure who this is


Update--

A boat that apparently dropped the terrorists is being chased on the high seas ...still within territorial waters


Update --

2 more blasts ... commandos have stormed the building....they are now near the top

Massive amount of gunfire

[crstig]

It's time for action. Or this is going to be a regular occurance all over the world.

Every world leader should unite today to condemn these acts and then flush these bastards out of every hole they come from.

[DShamen]

Terrorism does seem to be on the increase again... two separate incidents in Russia, a couple of others (think one may have been Turkey?) and now Bombay. Still, what can we expect to do about it?

[Skippy]

It's time for action. Or this is going to be a regular occurance all over the world.

Every world leader should unite today to condemn these acts and then flush these bastards out of every hole they come from.


:clap:

[The Fuzz]

This is a litle naughty ...but my friend is a HAM operator and he tells me that for the last 10 mnts all 3 squads of troops have maintained radio silence :hmmm


just to summarize

1-Taj Hotel --- Reports are sketchy...bur people are still there in the hotel
4 mujahideens may have been gunned down

2-Trident Hotel-- S.W.A.T teams entered the hotel from the top and bottom and a systematic search of all the 365 rooms is being conducted.Plenty of Flashbangs have been used..if reports are to be believed

3- Nariman House -- Majority of the terrorists(6) are holed up here..the army has taken charge here...An Israeli family is bieng held hostage here...

The media has been pushed back ...there is complete radio silence...and a defensive perimeter has been established



Also the search for the boat that carried the terrorists is on in full swing

[The Fuzz]

NO NO NO NOO


Some very horrible news ...My fathers friend Karmavir Dang's Wife and his 2 small kids perished in the fire in the 6th floor of the taj
:no:

May god give him the strength to get through this


EDIT

Just saw a terrorist get his balls blown off ....F^CK ALL OF THEM

[1889blade]

NO NO NO NOO


Some very horrible news ...My fathers friend Karmavir Dang's Wife and his 2 small kids perished in the fire in the 6th floor of the taj
:no:

May god give him the strength to get through this

Very sorry to hear that, it must be terrible

[Skippy]

R.I.P.

Sorry to hear that Andu. Keep safe, it sounds horrible over there.

I'm glad to hear one of the mother f*ckers got his nads blown off.

[The Fuzz]

Just head from my dad ....He told me that 7 chefs were shot dead :no:

[TOM OAFC]

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Mumbai-Terror-Attacks-In-India-Timeline/Article/200811415162552?lpos=World_News_Carousel _Region_8&lid=ARTICLE_15162552_Mumbai%3A_Terror_At tacks_In_India_Timeline

More than 600 people have been killed and hundreds injured in terror attacks in India over the last six years.

Mumbai blast

Scene of one of the latest blasts in Mumbai

Here is a timeline of some of the major attacks the country has suffered:

March 13, 2003 - Bomb attack on a commuter train in Mumbai kills 11 people.

Aug 25, 2003 - Two car bombs kill about 60 people in Mumbai.

Aug 15, 2004 - Bomb explodes in the northeastern state of Assam, killing 16 people, mostly schoolchildren, and wounding dozens.

Oct 29, 2005 - Sixty-six people are killed when three blasts rip through markets in New Delhi.

March 7, 2006 - At least 15 people are killed and 60 wounded in three blasts in the northerly Hindu pilgrimage city of Varanasi.

July 11, 2006 - More than 180 people are killed in seven bomb explosions at railway stations and on trains in Mumbai that are blamed on Islamist militants.

Sept 8, 2006 - At least 32 people are killed in a series of explosions, including one near a mosque, in Malegaon town, 160 miles north east of Mumbai.

180 mumbai blast

Mumbai train attack in July 2006

Feb 19, 2007 - Two bombs explode aboard a train heading from India to Pakistan; at least 66 passengers, most of them Pakistanis, burn to death.

May 18, 2007 - A bomb explodes during Friday prayers at a historic mosque in the southern city of Hyderabad, killing 11 worshippers.

Police later shoot dead five people in clashes with hundreds of enraged Muslims who protest against the attack.

Aug 25, 2007 - Three co-ordinated explosions at an amusement park and a street stall in Hyderabad kill at least 40 people.

May 13, 2008 - Seven bombs rip through the crowded streets of the western city of Jaipur, killing at least 63 people in markets and outside Hindu temples.

July 25, 2008 - Eight small bombs hit the IT city of Bangalore, killing at least one woman and wounding at least 15.

July 26, 2008 - At least 16 small bombs explode in Ahmedabad in the state of Gujarat, killing 45 people and wounding 161.

A little-known group called the "Indian Mujahideen" claims responsibility for the attack and the May 13 attack in Jaipur.

Sept 13,, 2008 - At least five bombs explode in crowded markets and streets in the heart of New Delhi, killing at least 18 people and injuring scores more. The Indian Mujahideen again claim responsibility.

Nov 26, 2008 - At least 100 people are killed in a series of attacks apparently aimed at tourists in India's financial capital Mumbai. Police say at least 260 people are wounded.

Interactive Map Of Mumbai Terror Strikes 2008

[The Fuzz]

Thats 20 odd incidents ??


Im dead sure that there have been maybe 3 or 4 convictions

Sicking

and this is after out fricking parliament was attacked :no:


Update--- A lot of the same going on

South Mumbai is a war zone


Its dark now and the final assault should occur in an hour or so

[Indian Gunner]

Seems like the operations would carry on for the whole of the night... around 9 terrorists are still active in Mumbai and they are heavily equipped. Around 400 people have been evacuated from the Taj so far. Encounters are still on in the Nariman house and Oberoi.

[The Fuzz]

Well it seems that the worst is over ....

But 6 terrorists still at large :eeek


The Terrorist mother ships have been caught on the way back to KARACHI ....

[Indian Gunner]

One terrorist still holed up inside the Taj... remaining are reported to be shot dead. One of them has been caught alive. While Pakistan has denied any role in the attacks, there are indications of a possible link from accross the border. The NSG commandos are gearing up for a massive operation in Nariman house where around 3-5 terrorists have held an Israeli and an Indian family hostage. Firing is still going on in the Oberoi hotel.

[The Fuzz]

Dude the terrorist spoke to each other in Punjabi ...WTF

[Indian Gunner]

^they are pretending to be punjabis... thats what I'm hearing... they are Pakistanis.

[The Fuzz]

Maybe Khalistan separatist elements :hmmm

[Indian Gunner]

Thats not possible. Like I said, they were only pretending to be Punjabis from Hyderabad in an attempt to dismiss any speculation of them being Pakistanis. But indications have shown that they could very well be from Pakistan.


EDIT:- The NSG has recovered a mobile phone belonging to one of the terrorists and there have been so many calls made to and from Pakistan.

[jacktclark]

I heard on the radio driving home from work that two boats from Pakistan were somehow used in the attack.

I think Brittish and Israeli officials have arrived today too, along with our Met plice (and maybe even special forces) - all per talksport radio so might not be 100% fact;)

[Indian Gunner]

Officials say that the operations in Taj is almost complete, with the entire hotel almost sanitised! The hostages in Nariman house have been rescued and a fierce encounter is taking place between the cops and the terrorists. Some news reports suggest that one terrorist is still holed up inside the Oberoi hotel. The chief of NSG has assured the people that it's only a matter of time before the operations end. 127 people have been confirmed dead so far.

[The Fuzz]

Thank god


But 6 terrorists still at large with a f#ckload of ammunition

I have this horrible feeling this is just the start :no:

[Indian Gunner]

A blast heard in Nariman house where the cops are battling the twats.

[The Fuzz]

I understand this is getting tedious ..so if the mids want to switch of post count for this thats fine


BUT there is fresh firing at VT station ...these are preemptive reports ..the station was sposed to be given the all clear

These could be the ones that got away :(

[Indian Gunner]

wtf! Fresh firing at CST station. I spoke to my dad who goes to work in Marine Lines everyday and he says he's coming back. Firing reported on platform number 8. Firing still on at Taj


EDIT:- FBI to send a team to India

[The Fuzz]

Dude luckily the second they heard gunshots all trains stopped at dockyard road ...So my mom got off there ....dude uncool

[Indian Gunner]

After reports suggested that the Taj was cleared... now it seems that there's one terrorist still holed up... loud explosions and gun shots are still being heard from the Taj hotel... damn! when will this end!!

[The Fuzz]

Firing ate VT was a false alarm .....Phew

[KalamazooClaret]

Seems the Indian Authorities are making something of a pigs ear of all this.
They have/they haven't/they have/ they haven't cleared the hotels.

It's not exactly been dealt with effectively as it could have been.

[The Fuzz]

Seems the Indian Authorities are making something of a pigs ear of all this.
They have/they haven't/they have/ they haven't cleared the hotels.

It's not exactly been dealt with effectively as it could have been.

Dunno mate ..I dont really know how stuff like goes down ...so i dont know what is textbook ...

also the Authorities never made any official confirmations about the situation ..all speculations

Its taken longer than I expected ...but it seems now that collateral casualties after the siege started has been kept to a minimum so I am happy

Dont forget dude these are the 2 biggest hotels in Mumbai easily more that a 1000 rooms

As we speak the Israelis hostages are being brought out of Nariman house

Time to a bullet between their eyes.....


BTW does anyone know Gullam Noon ---owns Noon Products ..he has been bought out of the Taj

[Indian Gunner]

Its not as easy as it seems... these insane terrorists are really well prepared. The brave commandos are fighting hard. The battle has intensified in the Taj and Nariman house.

[The Fuzz]

:hmmm

Trident siege is over ....all hostages are safe apparently
Nariman house siege is also over ---The terrorists have been killed..5 hostages have been killed :no:
Taj siege ----still going on ...almost everyone has been removed and the terrorists have been pinned to the 1st floor



11 terrorists dead and 1 captured

[warnocksminder]

theres reports that some of the terrorists were british born pakistanis , thatll lead to some interesting reprisals
India wants to handle this itself , which is commendable , but we all need to stand up to this sort of cowardly act carried out by brain washed nutters, who think their particular religion is better and 64 virgins are waiting in paradise, the gullability is mind boggling

[Fent]

theres reports that some of the terrorists were british born pakistanis , thatll lead to some interesting reprisals
India wants to handle this itself , which is commendable , but we all need to stand up to this sort of cowardly act carried out by brain washed nutters, who think their particular religion is better and 64 virgins are waiting in paradise, the gullability is mind boggling

If I was in charge, I'd round the feckers up put a 9 mm to each of the feckers head so they lead us to every fecker involved and bring them to justice.

[The Fuzz]

Mumbai is supposed to be a city that takes thing in it stride ..

The day after the train blasts..Mumbai was up and running...this time

this time the city is on an edge .....scared shitless....the streets are empty even today

Im not kidding you..I was at the bus terminus..when someone dropped their trunk....the mayhem that resulted was ridiculous :no:

[Never Alone]

Surely you're on a wind up, Adolf?

[Fent]

I'll retract that statement I didnt mean Sharia, the other one, the one which says 'all infidels must be killed'', basically anyone who supports Al Qaeda

[Indian Gunner]

The encounter at the Taj is intensifying... the number of terrorists holed up seem to be more than previously thought. Oberoi and Nariman House have been freed but unfortunately, 5 hostages in Nariman house were killed by those imbecile twats. The number of deceased has increased to 156 and could rise alarmingly. Experts say the terrorists could be on drugs and painkillers.


EDIT:- The situation in Taj seems to be extremely serious. There's an eerie silence at the moment and the number of terrorists holed up seems to be more than 3-4! There seems to be something which's obstructing the NSG's swift movement. There seems to be no hostages but wonder why then it's taking so much time. Additional forces entered the Taj sometime back.

[Martinho]

I reckon this should be in the Hall of Fame...

[Indian Gunner]

Another explosion! This looks massive... how many terrorists could still be operating inside!!

[The Fuzz]

Some are saying that they are high right now ..:shrug ( shades of the Somalian Ultras )

They are saying there are atleast 4 in the Taj


And my fav restaurant the Wasabi has been burnt :cry:

[Indian Gunner]

Sporadic gun shots being heard. No intense firing. You have these odd moments of eerie silence and all of a sudden gun shots are heard. These terrorists are immensely motivated and prepared. There seems to be a lot of movement going on around the Taj.

[jacktclark]

Are the terrorist only left in the Taj now? I hope they kill them all.

Whoever organised this needs to be brought to justice. I just hope it wasnt state sponsored...

[The Fuzz]

Are the terrorist only left in the Taj now? I hope they kill them all.

Whoever organised this needs to be brought to justice. I just hope it wasnt state sponsored...

4-5 :( There are absolutely no details coming out

But without doubt these guys are professionals.....the level of skill is ridiculous ....

[jacktclark]

4-5 :( There are absolutely no details coming out

But without doubt these guys are professionals.....the level of skill is ridiculous ....

Thats what maked me thnk they have had training. To have kept this thing going for so long means they must have planned it well and had proper training.

Fingers crossed no more innocents die.

Keep yourselves safe Andu11 & Indian Gunner:thumb

[The Fuzz]

Thats what maked me thnk they have had training. To have kept this thing going for so long means they must have planned it well and had proper training.

Fingers crossed no more innocents die.

Keep yourselves safe Andu11 & Indian Gunner:thumb

:thumb:


The National guard are being very cautious ......there is some back story to this .....No reports of hostages...so i would have thought the would have gassed the place ..

[Indian Gunner]

Are the terrorist only left in the Taj now? I hope they kill them all.

Whoever organised this needs to be brought to justice. I just hope it wasnt state sponsored...

Yes, they are only left in the Taj. But they are really difficult to bring down. They seem to be changing locations swiftly and considering there are about 800 rooms accross so many floors and that too in the dead of night(it's around 3.30 am here), it only gets difficult. In addition, they are equipped with grenades and sophisticated weapons. They could've planted them on the floor.

[C@rl]

Yes, they are only left in the Taj. But they are really difficult to bring down. They seem to be changing locations swiftly and considering there are about 800 rooms accross so many floors and that too in the dead of night(it's around 3.30 am here), it only gets difficult. In addition, they are equipped with grenades and sophisticated weapons. They could've planted them on the floor.

Well if they put people on the stairs, and stop the elevators, then they can only really stay on on floor.

[Indian Gunner]

Electricity has been cut off in most sections of the Taj... the operation has slowed down a bit now... maybe they are waiting for dawn to start full fledged operation, I don't know. The DG of NSG had said the operation would be over this night, but by the looks of it that seems unlikely.


EDIT:- Fresh firing heard from inside the Taj... a terrorist spotted.

[Indian Gunner]

The gunbattle resumes at the Taj... a hugh explosion was heard just moments ago.

[footyinamerica]

This is absoleutly dreadful. My thoughts and prayers are with thosewho lost their lives, especially the hostages that were executed for no reason.

[Zakboy_Afg]

My parents have been watching this closely. It's been a shocking few days to say the least - India has been rocked. It's disgraceful. And Andu, I'm really sorry about your dads friend. :( IG and Andu, just keep yourselves and your family safe man.

RIP to the dead. May the terrorists burn in hell.

[The Fuzz]

Its over


All 3 sites are now in control of the NSG

Pakistan has denied any involvement and has refused to let its ISI chief come to India .....
:angryfire

[Taffy]

Wonder if this incident will slow down the numbers of Brits who visit India.No it will not.We never let the IRA beat us and so this won't deter Brits from visiting your country.

[The Fuzz]

Wonder if this incident will slow down the numbers of Brits who visit India.No it will not.We never let the IRA beat us and so this won't deter Brits from visiting your country.

It never has and it has always surprised me ....but i belive travel advisory's have been issued for good reason ...:(


The big question is now what ?

[Indian Gunner]

Over 200 dead. The number is certain to rise. :(

[KalamazooClaret]

theres reports that some of the terrorists were british born pakistanis , thatll lead to some interesting reprisals
India wants to handle this itself , which is commendable , but we all need to stand up to this sort of cowardly act carried out by brain washed nutters, who think their particular religion is better and 64 virgins are waiting in paradise, the gullability is mind boggling

I was thinking something similar this morning. Bring in 'Internment' for British Muslims and weed out the bad eggs.
In other words round them all up forcefully and sort the wheat from the chaff.

[The Fuzz]

5 of the terrorists may have been British Muslims form Bredford ..

[Never Alone]

Pakistan has denied any involvement and has refused to let its ISI chief come to India .....
:angryfire

What did you expect mate?

[The Fuzz]

What did you expect mate?

Well as of last night the foreign minister had confirmed that the ISI chief ( read Terrorist in Chief ) would be sent to India

The supposedly Liberal lot are allready advocating that the peace talks should go on with pakistan
:angryfire

I would want to break of all peace talks with pakistan ..untill they take some tangible action against terrorism

The peace talks are a waste of time if pakistan continue to harbor such anti-social elements

It doesnt make a f@ck of difference if these are rouge elements or the top administration knew about all this ..

Normally i dont give a f@ck whether pakistan is doomed or not ...but when it starts affecting my country at such a scale...I would want my govt to pursue all avenues possible to put their bloody house in order

[Never Alone]

I know that the ISI chief is being sent, heard it on the radio this morning. If peace talks with a foreign state, with which India already has disputes with, are cancelled because of these terrorist attacks then the terrorists have won.

Pakistan are taking action against terrorists, dozens of armed forces have been killed in action fighting the fanatics in lawless regions. The problem is, even if the Pakistani forces had the power to take over the lawless regions, which they don't, the moderates can never reverse the indoctrination installed into the radical youth.

Pakistan aren't habouring terrorists in the same sense as Afghanistan was in regard to 'Al-Qaeda' and company. It's not as if the Pakistani state wants these organisations in their country. In my opinion it does matter. 'British' citizens were apparently involved in these attacks. What if they trained in the New Forest? Would you suggest breaking ties with Britain?

Exactly. The best course of action the Indian government can take is to work closely with Pakistan, possibly to the extent where India has access to the best intelligence and even are allowed to carry out covert strikes. In my opinion, the Pakistani government are allowing the US to make these strikes in Pakistan and the shooting down of drones are just for show, to prevent serious opposition to the government.

I think the worst thing India can do now is to isolate Pakistan and miss out on the opportunity to bridge relations with the Pakistani state and really challenge the extremist elements. That's just my opinion though and I can see what you're saying, especially having witnessed first hand what you have.

[BarnsleytilIdie]

Well if they are "British" Muslims..please send them back here & line them up & shoot them!
Time we took the hardest line possible with scum like that!:angryfire

[The Fuzz]

I know that the ISI chief is being sent, heard it on the radio this morning. If peace talks with a foreign state, with which India already has disputes with, are cancelled because of these terrorist attacks then the terrorists have won.

This morning the request was denied .......:angryfire


Pakistan are taking action against terrorists, dozens of armed forces have been killed in action fighting the fanatics in lawless regions. The problem is, even if the Pakistani forces had the power to take over the lawless regions, which they don't, the moderates can never reverse the indoctrination installed into the radical youth.


This only on the NWFP...and only because of pressure America put on them
Terror camps blatantly operate in POK. The amount of evidence given to pakistan on this matter is almost ridiculous..to say Pakistan is taking ample action against terror camps is laughable..specially with the impunity the LET and JEM operate in Pakistan.


Pakistan aren't habouring terrorists in the same sense as Afghanistan was in regard to 'Al-Qaeda' and company. It's not as if the Pakistani state wants these organisations in their country. In my opinion it does matter. 'British' citizens were apparently involved in these attacks. What if they trained in the New Forest? Would you suggest breaking ties with Britain?


I would if there was evidence that the MI6 was helping these terrorists.
Thats exactly what the ISI is doing.
Probably the most obvious example would be Dawood Ebrahim...He has been protected by the ISI for a long long time..and inspite of evidence to this point..no effort has been made to deport him to India
One more example would be the JEM head Maulana Massood who was released during the IC-814 hijacking ...he went to pakistan ...and stll operates out of POK


I think the worst thing India can do now is to isolate Pakistan and miss out on the opportunity to bridge relations with the Pakistani state and really challenge the extremist elements. That's just my opinion though and I can see what you're saying, especially having witnessed first hand what you have.

True ...I really think this is a great opportunity to build bridges with Pakistan...but how is this too happen?? Summit after summits ? or maybe a couple of train and rail links...One would think if Pakistan wanted to build bridges..they would have sent the ISI chief to India

[Never Alone]

This only on the NWFP...and only because of pressure America put on them
Terror camps blatantly operate in POK. The amount of evidence given to pakistan on this matter is almost ridiculous..to say Pakistan is taking ample action against terror camps is laughable..specially with the impunity the LET and JEM operate in Pakistan.

All of which are fair points.

I would if there was evidence that the MI6 was helping these terrorists.
Thats exactly what the ISI is doing.
Probably the most obvious example would be Dawood Ebrahim...He has been protected by the ISI for a long long time..and inspite of evidence to this point..no effort has been made to deport him to India
One more example would be the JEM head Maulana Massood who was released during the IC-814 hijacking ...he went to pakistan ...and stll operates out of POK

Again, all fair points. At this conjucture it's also relevant to bring up the fact that the ISI wired Mohammed Atta $100,000 just before 9/11.

True ...I really think this is a great opportunity to build bridges with Pakistan...but how is this too happen?? Summit after summits ? or maybe a couple of train and rail links...One would think if Pakistan wanted to build bridges..they would have sent the ISI chief to India

I thought they have?

[The Fuzz]

I thought they have?



As it stands they havnt :no:

It seems that 2 of the terrorists were employed in the Taj :eeek

The trawler that transported the terrorists the Kuber was found with the captain dead

[Indian Gunner]

I think the worst thing India can do now is to isolate Pakistan and miss out on the opportunity to bridge relations with the Pakistani state and really challenge the extremist elements. That's just my opinion though and I can see what you're saying, especially having witnessed first hand what you have.


It's time for action. Enough is enough! Right from the attack on our Parliament to this deadly attack on Mumbai there have been Pakistani links. For how long do you expect us to bear them and their fake condolences? We've always tried to better relations with them inspite all odds, but they always back stab us. This time too they've done this. How long do we see our people die for no damn fault of theirs? The world knows Pakistan shelters terrorists. Even underworld don Dawood Ibrahim is sheltered in Karachi and India had even submitted the proof of that to Pakistan but they have refused to act. Why are we so soft on terror? If we were Israel we would have slammed them hard and rightly so. I know their President Zardari lost his wife due to terrorism. But it's only because of his nation's inability to keep in check the growing number of terrorist camps in his territory and the support of ISI to these inhuman twats.

It's time the world isolates Pakistan until it does something concrete to drive away this menace. They can't do it themselves and when the US asks them to help they deny saying it would be against their sovereignty. Every nation which shelters terrorism in any form, no matter if it's Bangladesh, Pakistan or any other nation, should be brought to task.

I admit, intelligence failure on our side too was responsible for this tragedy. But that doesn't justify what Pakistan has done.

[Never Alone]

It's time the world isolates Pakistan until it does something concrete to drive away this menace.

If the terrorists have such support in the ISI as you imply then without support from western nations and their allies the moderate regime(s) would fall and the terrorists would conquer. How do you feel about these morons having their finger on the nuclear trigger?

[Indian Gunner]

Thats the reason why the US has started attacking camps in Pakistan to which Pakistan has objected. It's highly unlikely that those twats would manage to get hold of nuclear installations, but after what I saw in Mumbai, these guys could reach anywhere!

[Never Alone]

If the moderates in Pakistan were, as you put earlier, left in total isolation there's a very good chance that the Government would be overthrown by radical elements. Those radical elements would assume control of the country and thus the nuclear weapons.

[The Fuzz]

If the moderates in Pakistan were, as you put earlier, left in total isolation there's a very good chance that the Government would be overthrown by radical elements. Those radical elements would assume control of the country and thus the nuclear weapons.

Thats the reason why the US has started attacking camps in Pakistan to which Pakistan has objected. It's highly unlikely that those twats would manage to get hold of nuclear installations, but after what I saw in Mumbai, these guys could reach anywhere!

Thats the thing now

Finding middle ground...

Heres how I see it Pakistan has failed miserably to curtail extremists elements in its country to such a large extent that there is real doubt about who is calling the shots

There is no doubt that we need to be gentle with our allies in the Govt and at the same time arm twist them into giving us the leads we need..

I mean this really is worst case scenario...one doesn't know the good from the bad and the Indian subcontinent could really become the flash point for another major war
:no:

I also really think the Govt needs to pull up its act regarding national security and vote bank politics :angryfire For all the criticism Bush got..there was no doubt that he was the man in charge...no such clarity in our system


Its easy to point the finger at Pakistan and have the worlds sympathy on your...but I dont give a shit about that if I have to think twice before traveling by the local trains ....:no:



BTW does England have one party in power ? :hmmm

[GMBee]

NO NO NO NOO


Some very horrible news ...My fathers friend Karmavir Dang's Wife and his 2 small kids perished in the fire in the 6th floor of the taj
:no:

May god give him the strength to get through this


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Just saw a terrorist get his balls blown off ....F^CK ALL OF THEM

Sorry to hear that mate. R.I.P

As someone that has been in London on 7/7 I can understand what those in Mumbai are going through. Stay strong. The terrorists deserve being executed but no form of execution is good enough for them. Let them starve in a perspex cage with food and drink just out of it but they can't get it.

[Red&WhiteEnsign]

I've been following this on both the Beeb and LCI.....

Tragic truely tragic......But I feel that Indian forces were maybe slow to react to the impending and events that have now passed......I understand it is a sensitive area in asia and maybe that is why the attacks were targeted there as the secret services and the proximity is close......

France at the moment is on alert rouge probably the same as in the UK.......Terror strikes happen in random places as seen in years past with the IRA and also after declaring a ceasefire the Spanish Basque group have once again with militants fighting for their cause......Corsica is often hit aswell......

I suggest a rapid response of special forces unit be formed
and based in several places around the globe to intervene at the slightest attacks...I mean within an easy distance of reaching such a situation in the quickest time possible....Namely one all the continets....

These faceless cowardly bastards who have been brainwashed into their actions need to see the red laser target shot aimed at the head.......Take no shit, no disable shots to the legs, they plan to kill so should our special forces......placing down the arm and hands up....bolloxs to that.....

Mumbai has suffered an attack just as New York, London, Madrid, Paris, Indonesia to name a few major targets....

I would have no hesitation in putting a bullet in the head even if the person was on his knees, cuffed and his firearm not in reach......

[Indian Gunner]

Apparently, media sources say the Government is determined to act tough this time. The cease fire with Pakistan could be called off and there is a possibility of multiplying army deployments on the border. There are reports that Pakistan could also do that first.

If the moderates in Pakistan were, as you put earlier, left in total isolation there's a very good chance that the Government would be overthrown by radical elements. Those radical elements would assume control of the country and thus the nuclear weapons.


Thats least possible mate. If Pakistan truely wants, it can drive away terrorists, but it's beacause of the lack of will and ISI support that the terrorists have found heaven in Pakistan. Now, by isolation I meant economic isolation. Freezing of trade, financial assistance and supply of defence equipment and so on. But at the same time super powers like the US, France and others should put constant diplomatic pressure on Pakistan. Pakistan doesn't allow foreign elements to assist them in terror operations even now, so the threat of terrorists having access to nuclear instalments exists even now.

[warnocksminder]

India cancelling next years cricket tests in Pakistan is the first clue to who they thinks to blame, and who can blame them

I cant see anything but tension and growing animosity in the coming months with lots of posturing and threats , but not so idle this time which will be worrying