Michael Jackson with Martin Bashir [Archive]

Flyso

4th February 2003, 18:47

Originally posted by oapdodge
.Should be locked up.

Would you mind telling us all why? (apart from having Uri Geller as one of his closest chums - now there IS a tw@t)You can't be locked up just for being a bit odd and eccentric - if that were the case half the British ruling classes and the Royal family would have been behind bars years ago. As for the kiddie-fiddling allegations - they are just that - ALLEGATIONS - and the media loves gullible people like you who fall for sensationalism and half-truths (at best) I've never been Jacko's biggest fan and I think he is totally self-obsessed but it is HIS life and he does me no harm by the way he lives it. I'd be more worried if that tw@t Palmer-Tomkinson or the inbred Hamiltons asked any kid of mine to a sleepover....

The Truth

4th February 2003, 19:00

Did anyone see him claim that he had only had two plastic surgery operations (both on his nose) in his life? He looks like a anaemic weasel for **** sake.

Gruffy

4th February 2003, 19:05

i thought that program was really interesting

complete bullshit about that he loves his kids, as everyone knows, a child needs a mother for their emotional development. whats the bets now that his kids will grow up to be hard drug addicts

and the 2 operations on his face? yeh right like hell! more like 22!

gotta feel real sorry for him tho when he was a kid that his dad would beat him hard and that he was scared of his dad, or joe - his dad wouldn't let jacko call him dad

all in all tho, i real interesting program, got pissed off tho when the commercials cut in :angryfire

bindu

4th February 2003, 19:48

I didn't catch all of it as I was at work. But whats this about a boyfriend????? Or do I just live in this world without seeing the obvious in front of me?

The whole part I did see about him sleeping with children doesnt he really see the implications that can have for him. However, his point regarding the fact that families were disintergrating due to the lack of human contact was correct and its really heart breaking. I can see it with my cousins as their parents behave like that and it is starting to show with them

SamB_SCFC

4th February 2003, 20:01

I think the problem with Jacko is that he is so out of touch with reality. He had no childhood to speak of and him and his brothers were rushed into stardom by a strict and vicious dad. They were all under 10 when the Jackson 5 1st appeared, imagine if you were a superstar before the age of 10! His big problem is because of his non-existant childhood he is trying to make up for it in his adult life hence the love of kids, childish antics, over-protectiveness of his own kids.

To be honest while he is without doubt one of the weirdest guys who have ever walked this planet, I don't think he's a kiddy-fiddler just a person obsessed with childhood and family love. He is so out of touch with reality that he doesn't realise the implications of his stories about sharing a bed with children. To him it is perfectly normal and the right thing to do, and doesn't understand how is can be misinterperated.

I really feel sorry for his own children, God knows how they will turn out as adults! Imagine having a childhood consisting of walking round with your face covered, no contact with the outside world and of course Jacko as your dad! not to mention that they have no contact with their mother!!

Jacko you are one seriously messed up person! :crazy::crazy::crazy:

Major Gowan

4th February 2003, 21:53

How pathetic was that attempt to conceal the fact that none of those children were his? One of them is blonde for a start. Even "Blanket" whose mother is black, according to Jackson, who anyone can see has 2 white parents.

Whether or not he is noncing these kids he sleeps with, it's well dodgy. He is obviously lying about the plastic surgery and the provenance of "his" kids, so probably is about the kids he sleeps with as well.

Seagull

4th February 2003, 22:55

SHAMONE!

Azzagiu

4th February 2003, 23:58

I agree totally with SamB I think that Jackson is just trying to live out the childhood he never had thro` whatever children he can get his hands upon.

Without any doubt this guys got some serious psychological problems but I don`t think hes a paedaphile ~ surely if he was someone like the child actor Maucaulin Caulkin ( is that the correct spelling??) would have come out by now and said something as he would be listened to as a credible source by the media...

With out a doubt tho` he surely is one of the strangest people ever to moonwalk on this planet...

Azzagiu

5th February 2003, 00:02

btw stret, how mad is a stick...:D

Rage

5th February 2003, 05:04

yeeeee heeee mother****er

Seagull

5th February 2003, 20:20

OWWWWW!

FtangFtang

5th February 2003, 20:53

Originally posted by Major Gowan
How pathetic was that attempt to conceal the fact that none of those children were his? One of them is blonde for a start. Even "Blanket" whose mother is black, according to Jackson, who anyone can see has 2 white parents.

Whether or not he is noncing these kids he sleeps with, it's well dodgy. He is obviously lying about the plastic surgery and the provenance of "his" kids, so probably is about the kids he sleeps with as well.

Worse thing is the guy is so ga ga he doesn't believe he's lying.

ValleysExile

6th February 2003, 07:29

One thing (among many) that disturbed me whilst watching it was the attitude of the parents of the children that stayed at house.

Imagine the scenario:
You've got a 12 year old kid.
For some bizarre reason Michael Jackson invites your kid to stay the night at his house.
You've read all the stories, allegations and rumours.
Do you let your child, the thing you love more than life, stay at his house?

Do you fck. He may well be a harmless bloke who truly does love children in the purest sense. BUT. He's completely insane. And that alone rules out my kids from sleeping at his house.

Where were the parents? And what were they thinking of?

Flyso

6th February 2003, 09:17

Originally posted by ValleysExile
Where were the parents? And what were they thinking of?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$

Gruffy

6th February 2003, 16:40

if Jackson loves children (not in a sexual manner) then fair enough, don't we all, but we don't express our love for them as much as he does. all he's trying to do is give children hope in their lives. so what, Jackson is different just like everyone one of us - we're all different!!!

and as Jackson said on his program, those of you who think of this in a sick, sexual way are just ignorant

great white

6th February 2003, 17:52

Having not seen the programme I cannot really comment..Though all I will say if you where a child star being manipulated by others from such a young age maybe your outlook on life would be different...He's not the only one look at the likes of Macauley Culcin (sp), Drew Barrymore or even Jodie Foster.....

The treatment of child stars these days is far more regulated and they can lead a normalish life..

Is Jackson mad??...yes he is but the more people go on about it the more he will retract into his shell...why the interview anyway is there a new album on the way??....

Pood

6th February 2003, 20:10

i think hes just eccentric, not insane, although the baby incident might prove otherwise :D

He shows so much care for children because its something that jacko didnt have, being beat up by his dad etc

People say hes insane, but remember the horrible past he has had..

The Truth

6th February 2003, 20:17

Most paedophiles have been the victims of abuse themselves. Personally I don't know whether or not he did/does fiddle with kiddies. If he WAS doing it then it would be pretty stupid to allow himself to be filmed admitting to sleeping with children, which in itself would be enough to arouse suspicion. Then again, this is Michael Jackson - the guy lives in a world of his own and obviously thinks what he is doing is perfectly normal.

great white

6th February 2003, 20:23

Originally posted by The Truth
Most paedophiles have been the victims of abuse themselves. Personally I don't know whether or not he did/does fiddle with kiddies. If he WAS doing it then it would be pretty stupid to allow himself to be filmed admitting to sleeping with children, which in itself would be enough to arouse suspicion. Then again, this is Michael Jackson - the guy lives in a world of his own and obviously thinks what he is doing is perfectly normal. I sleep with two cats and a dog..does that make me a beastiality pervert then??..as I find that quite normal...

Daz

6th February 2003, 21:03

GW Madame will not be pleased when she hears you've been calling her a dog :eek:

Tru Blu

7th February 2003, 07:17

I think SamB_SCFC pretty much hit the nail on the head.

The guy seems to have a mental age of about 10 - having that amount of money and spending it all on a Fairground, come on!
And i dont think he is a paedo, because a) he is as Asexual as a pre-pubescent boy, and b) he was clearly too naive to understand the implications of what he was saying - if he had anything to hide it would have been very easy to hide it!

He is very messed up, it looked like he actually BELIEVES the lies he tells, and making his kids wear masks is not going to benefit them like he thinks.

The Truth

7th February 2003, 07:53

Originally posted by great white
I sleep with two cats and a dog..does that make me a beastiality pervert then??..as I find that quite normal...

So you think that a 44-year-old man sleeping with other people's children perfectly normal behaviour do you? Let's be honest here, if Joe Bloggs down the road was doing it you'd think it was well dodgy. The fact that Michael Jackson, pop phenomenon, is doing it should not make one iota of difference.

Rangers1873

7th February 2003, 16:27

Originally posted by Cjm24
Has anyone just watched this?
I kinds feel sorry for Michael Jackson as he is totally screwed up! He lives in another world.

i dont feel sorry for him at all he is a grown man and has to be held responsible for his actions, however i believe he is devoted to his kids, and wouldnt hurt anyone, but the fact that he is a head banger still stands, in my book

ryanjoninho

7th February 2003, 20:19

Its the media and his fathers fault he is Wacko (the bastard's)!

Go Jacko!

great white

8th February 2003, 00:45

Originally posted by The Truth
So you think that a 44-year-old man sleeping with other people's children perfectly normal behaviour do you? Let's be honest here, if Joe Bloggs down the road was doing it you'd think it was well dodgy. The fact that Michael Jackson, pop phenomenon, is doing it should not make one iota of difference. My post should have been taken in the spirit it was meant...If you wish me to get serious on the subject I would more than happily do so...but for me the most serious question is the childrens parents as mentioned previously why?? and for what motif...The Yankee Dollar at the end of it....

The interview has finally made it to France now but it is one a channel that I cannot access via cable so gonna have to wait a bit longer before I can pass judgement...

Tru Blu

8th February 2003, 00:52

So you think that a 44-year-old man sleeping with other people's children perfectly normal behaviour do you?

Of course its not normal behaviour, but Jacko is not a normal 44 year old man. You saw he is still completely stuck in his childhood.
MJ is about as Asexual as a pre-pubertal, eunyched Morrissey! I dont think he really knows what child abuse even is, which is why he's clearly so confused when he is asked about it.

There was one alegation, 10 years or so ago, which he paid off. I think a 'child' with hundreds of millions of pounds in the bank would pay a few million to anyone who was stressing them out so much.

And dont you think - EASY MONEY! - more boys would make allegations if there was genuinely something up?

The Truth

8th February 2003, 02:51

If, as you say he's not aware of what child abuse is then he may not even be aware that he's doing it. In his eyes it could be construed as affection or comfort, not perversion. These are IFS - I don't know if he's a paedophile or not. I don't think, however, that you can categorically say that he is incapable of doing it as some appear content to do. What's more, paying millions to stop a previous charge going to court didn't exactly help his case in many people's eyes. If he was that convinced of his innocence he should have contested it - lawyers' fees would hardly have been a problem. After all there are few more disgusting things for an innocent man to be accused of.

Tru Blu

10th February 2003, 04:10

Im not saying categorically that he is not a paed. He may be. All im saying is I doubt it.

If, as you say he's not aware of what child abuse is then he may not even be aware that he's doing it. In his eyes it could be construed as affection or comfort, not perversion.
Did you hear him talking about sex? About his 'first time' (that never happened!) and about hearing his brothers do it etc. And his kids were all born to surrogate mothers. He is asexual! He hates it! And i maintain that if there was something going on another kid would report it (in fact im not surprised another kid hasnt alleged it anyway, seeing as it would basically mean a multi-million pound payout)

What's more, paying millions to stop a previous charge going to court didn't exactly help his case in many people's eyes. If he was that convinced of his innocence he should have contested it - lawyers' fees would hardly have been a problem. After all there are few more disgusting things for an innocent man to be accused of.
I can totally understand that, but I think the problem is people are treating MJ as a normal fully sane and adult person - in which case it would be stupid to pay them off if he was innocent. But Im sure MJ is, psychologically, a child. A Child with inexhaustible wealth. He is so naive that it wasnt a case of maintaining his image, more of getting it over with to go back out and play on his merry-go-round in peace!

your entitled to your opinion but i severely doubt MJ is a paedophile.