Serious Student Point

[Eric_Cartman]

I don't actually hate students (I was one once) but the whole education process in this country has been devalued. Everyone can now go to uni, no matter how bloody thick you are there is always some p#ss poor ex poly that'll take you. This means even complete remmers are coming out with degrees. Degree subjects are getting silly an all, things like media studies etc etc, what is the point of churning out 1000s of graduates in sh#t subjects every year. University definately shouldn't be just for the rich, but it should be just for the inteligent, in a few years every f#cker will have a degree meaning to get a good job you'll need a masters and a PHD, meaning more and more debt. University status should be taken off the Polys and they should go back to what they used to be, it's all a load of boll#cks!

[BARNETFAN1]

Totally agree. :clap:

[Saltergate_guy]

yep i totally agree

[BARNETFAN1]

The thing that pisses me off is the clearing system. For my course, you needed ABB (admittedly not as hard to get as it sounds) to get on it. Fair enough it was full and clearing wasn't used, I believe.

But for others at my Uni (say...Economics and Geography combined) people who needed ABC were getting in on CDD. I mean, what the **** is going on there? I ended up doing a joint Macroeconomics project with someone who got CDD and didn't have a ****ing clue what was going on!

Turkey is another example. I know his results, he posted them on this site, and no offence but how the hell can he get into Southampton (a top 10 uni) on those grades? It's a farce.

Same applies to these Uni's like Goldsmiths, Middlesex etc etc (Polytechnics basically)....they're just bloody colleges, so why can't they be called colleges and give out diplomas or whatever, instead of being labeled Universities, which they barely are.

I'm probably going to have to go for a Masters (provided a get a 2:1), just to out-qualify muppets who went to Middlesex Uni on some tossy substandard Economics course.

[Turkey]

Barnetfan. My English grade got changed.

Media - B, English Lit - C, Film - B, ICT - E.

[jonnythehorn]

I agree with that Cartman, degrees are getting more meaningless and like many others I haven't even started my degree (well not til next week anyway...) and am already thinking about doing a Postgraduate course because more and more people are getting degrees from bad uni's. As said ex-poly's should go back to being poly's. The reason why top-up fees are on the agenda is because sh*t uni's like Thames Valley and L*t*n are being funded by the government for no other reason than to try and prove lots of people can go to uni even with 3E's at A-level. If A-levels are getting so much easier then why should people with D's and E's be able to go to university? It is a burden on the system and the country and is the reason why there is a big problem with the education system.

[BARNETFAN1]

Originally posted by Turkey
Barnetfan. My English grade got changed.

Media - B, English Lit - C, Film - B, ICT - E.

Sorry, but this is a top ten uni we're talking about. Those grades shouldn't get you into one. What exactly is a Film and Television degree anyway? :confused:

[Turkey]

So pleased to here that. I'm leaving home. I'm spending a lot of money. Going to a place I don't know. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't nervous.

So great to hear its a waste of time.

[BARNETFAN1]

It's not a waste of time for you. You can come out of Southampton University with a 2:1 quite easily now, provided you work. Whereas someone taking a more demanding course (but attained higher grades and couldn't get into your uni because of the grades required for the equivalent course) could end up with a 2:1 from a lesser University. Some employers will look straight at the 2:1 and the Uni you got it from, and not what you got it in. It's the system that is a waste of time, not you.

[Turkey]

It's not Southampton Uni its Southampton Instituite.

[BARNETFAN1]

Oh. Erm.....in which case I deny everything I have said in this thread. I didn't say it I tell you ;)

you could have just said that in the first place

[Turkey]

Also, as for my grades. I'm not stupid. I messed up my exams. I was predicted A - media, B - english, A - film. If I wasn't off to Soton I would be upping my Film and ICT to good grades.

[BARNETFAN1]

I never claimed you were stupid, nor has the thought even entered my head.

[Eric_Cartman]

what have I started!

I stand by my argument though, Turkey perhaps you should be thinking whether you really should be getting into so much debt to do film and TV degree at Southampton institute. Do you really want to go to Uni or are you jumping on the University Student bandwagon!

To me there is no way Southampton Institute should be able to give out degrees, if you want to do a film and TV or other technical course you should go to your local polytechnic. At this rate everyone in Britain will have a degree and they will become worthless.

[Turkey]

The course provides students with a rnage of transferable skills essential for professional employment after the degree. The research and writing elements of the degree provides graduates with presentation, communication, and problem solving skills. The practical elemnts of the degree provide graduates with creative and organisational skills.

[Beeseen]

Well I too ****ed up my exams getting 2b's and a d (I was predicated ABB which I should have got) which hopefully will go up to a c soon but I am still studying Poltics and Soicology at the University Of East Anglia. Having been offered 2bs and a C at UEA (I was two marks of a c). Are those grades really that bad? I'm not too pleased with them true but I ****ed up because I have shit exam techinque because I wasn't really taught how to tackle exams something I'm going to sort out at uni. I think the problem is that people are judged on the basis of one particular syallbus and the luck of the draw with questions etc. It would be much better if people were assesed by continous assement such as teacher perceptions of there work through out the year and on discussions and understanding in class. At the moment it is based on who can remember what and cram it all in on a stupid exam paper that is the main problem with the education system.

However to an extent I agree my mate is a lot smarter then me but he just can't leave his house as hes like that and is scared to fly the nest so he applied to Kingston Uni with an offer of 3 e's. Sure enough he didn't do any work and left with 2 e's and a d and Kingston accepted him. It these uni which are causing the problem because they are offering far too low grades to get in. To combat this I think there have to be official tables regarding uni's therefore making one degree stand above another rather then just having a degree.

As a side note Turkey I take it that you will be going to Southampton next year as its preety late to choose now but it seems from what your writing that you are starting this year.

[Turkey]

I've gone through clearance. Starting next week.

[BARNETFAN1]

Originally posted by Turkey
The course provides students with a rnage of transferable skills essential for professional employment after the degree. The research and writing elements of the degree provides graduates with presentation, communication, and problem solving skills. The practical elemnts of the degree provide graduates with creative and organisational skills.

Who the hell was that written by? David Brent? It says nothing...what the hell do you learn? ;)

[I Love Wolves]

Well i'm applying for Uni this september. Don't think its a utter complete waste of time. More like a fantastic life experience of 3/4 years of meeting loads of people, gettin pissed at the union and going into lectures with an awesome hangover.
Who ever said A Levels were getting easier is a load of Bull. People put so much pressure on students by saying that. And just to mean they lower the grades for people to get in to any UNI doesn't mean they are gunna walk out with a degree cuz they have gotta actually do work.

Well done and good luck to anyone who got into Uni and have a Fab time. Who cares about the debt hopefully you can turn around after 3 4 yrs and say i've had the best time of my life and it was worth it. Why be alive if you aint gunna live to the fullest?

[Tru Blu]

its no different people.

if thick people get into Uni it'll be to shite Unis, into a shite course and they'll come out of it with very little. Employers dont look and see "ah, this lad has a degree, he must be good!", they'd look and see "a 3rd class degree at Paisley Uni in Hygiene Maintenace? whit the **** is that? this guy is a waster" and not gie him the cleaning job, you SEE?

whereas if you're smart you'll go to a good Uni, do a good degree and get a good award, such as "wow, this bloke got a 1st class Law from Embra Uni, he's clearly the man! much more so than that cleaning jakie fae Paisley anyhow"

you see?

;)

[snakedavetheblade]

Degrees now are worthless.
Its who you know ,not what you know

[MOJOJO]

I think Cartman is dead right. A few years ago only the smart kids would go to Uni, now it seems that any thick Mackem or southern idiot can secure a place at University. Maybe the new open to all attitude is what the Labour party is trying to address by making students pay for their own education instead of burdening the taxpayer with the expense of educating men and woman who on the whole won’t contribute more to the country than those who don’t go to Uni. I have no problem with bright kids being helped financially through University, what I do have a problem with is thick losers with double figure IQ’s sucking up tax payers money whilst they and our country gain nothing from their University education...:no:

[SnoopDogg]

Degrees are becoming quite ridiculous. They should make it harder at Uni to actually graduate. I mean it is fine letting people go to university to expand their knowledge base and learn new skills but it is just too easy for people with no clue as to what they are doing to come out the other side. I know because I am one of them! lol :dunce:

It is a fine line though to be able to provide education to those who want it at the same time as maintaining a certain standard of quality of candidates that are accepted into these insitutions.

[Infidel]

well it depends if you view uni as studying for the sake of studying and the pursuit of knowledge stylee, or just a stepping stone to getting a job that will pay you more money so you can buy more things.

[jonnythehorn]

Originally posted by Beeseen
I think the problem is that people are judged on the basis of one particular syallbus and the luck of the draw with questions etc. It would be much better if people were assesed by continous assement such as teacher perceptions of there work through out the year and on discussions and understanding in class. At the moment it is based on who can remember what and cram it all in on a stupid exam paper that is the main problem with the education system.


Unfortunately I don't think that would work, again because of different standards that schools have. For example, during GCSE science investigations the norm at our school was to do at least 15 or 20 pages for the investigation. One of my mates at another school had already done the same one so I had a look to see if there was anything I had missed out that he had put in. His was 4 sides long and was so basic I could not believe. He got an A* from his school after doing it in a few hours, I spent ages working and got a mid-A. I had all the info etc. in mine and after showing others at my school my mates work we all agreed that our teachers would have thought that work was a joke if handed in.

In an ideal world that would work but standards are so different in schools that exams plus some coursework is probably the fairest way of testing.

[crstig]

Originally posted by snakedavetheblade
Degrees now are worthless.
Its who you know ,not what you know

:clap: totally agree!!

I went to Uni for a year, and it was a complete waste of time, taught me nothing that I could practically use in the workplace!!!

So I dropped out and got a job, I am now doing ok for myself and have to put up with working with people just out of uni who don't know their arse from their elbow!!!

Time to make Higher Education Vocation based!!!!

[Turkey]

Originally posted by MOJOJO
I have no problem with bright kids being helped financially through University, what I do have a problem with is thick losers with double figure IQ’s sucking up tax payers money whilst they and our country gain nothing from their University education...:no:

Thick people generally don't go to Uni. If they do they'd pull out because they wouldn't be able to hack it.

[BARNETFAN1]

Not true. Plenty of people who were thick as pigshit at my secondary school went to Uni.

[Turkey]

I don't know anyone who is thick who is going.

[BARNETFAN1]

I know someone that got 1 E and he got into Aberyswyth (sp?) to do Civil Engineering :no:

[Turkey]

Well the country is in dire need of people doing practical jobs such as engineering. If he got trained up and did well well done to the lad.

[BARNETFAN1]

Yeah, but why should he get a degree in it? Why not a different qualification? I'm sorry but someone who got 1 a-level, and an E at that, should not be allowed to take a degree. It highlights what is wrong with the current system.

[Turkey]

I see what you mean but I don't think people should be told they can't go if they want to do it. It's a lot of money and a commitment. I don't know how well this lad has done but he's given it a go.

[BARNETFAN1]

He failed the course in the first year. Now repeating it. It's a total waste of money giving him a student loan (although I'm bias, he did sleep with my ex-girlfriend :angryfire ;))

[Turkey]

How do these student loans work?

I'm applying for one now.

You have to pay them back. So why is it a waste of tax payers money?

[BARNETFAN1]

Because it shouldn't be given out in the first place, and in his case, as his family is on income support, he doesn't even have to pay it all back.

The tax payers money also goes on the funding for the actual University. I mean, someone is paying the lecturer to teach this ****** ;) who's probably going to fail again. Just a total waste of time and effort.

[Eric_Cartman]

plenty of thick f#ckers go to uni, especially if they are posh plummy c#nts from public school. On my course at Manchester University which I had to get two As and a B at A level to get on cos I went to a proper sh#t comprehensive there were Oxford and Cambridge rejects from public schools who'd got on with 3 Ds! One rule for one and one for the rest!

Public school kids don't know how to behave in the real world either, bunch of arrogant snobby f#ckwits, dead funny watching them in local pubs in some of the worse areas of Manchester, they all act the c#nt and flash the cash and wonder why the locals hate them!

Oh and how can the thick f#ckers from the royal family get into uni? they get sh#t results and still top unis except them, shouldn't be allowed, thicko ginner Harry should have to go to Bolton Institute with his grades! One thing the frogs got right, guiloteening the parasitic f#ckers!

[Turkey]

You're just too good to be true.
Can't take my eyes off you.
You'd be like Heaven to touch.
I wanna hold you so much.
At long last love has arrived
And I thank God I'm alive.
You're just too good to be true.
Can't take my eyes off you.

Pardon the way that I stare.
There's nothing else to compare.
The sight of you leaves me weak.
There are no words left to speak,
But if you feel like I feel,
Please let me know that it's real.
You're just too good to be true.
Can't take my eyes off you.

I love you, baby,
And if it's quite alright,
I need you, baby,
To warm a lonely night.
I love you, baby.
Trust in me when I say:
Oh, pretty baby,
Don't bring me down, I pray.
Oh, pretty baby, now that I found you, stay
And let me love you, baby.
Let me love you.

You're just too good to be true.
Can't take my eyes off you.
You'd be like Heaven to touch.
I wanna hold you so much.
At long last love has arrived
And I thank God I'm alive.
You're just too good to be true.
Can't take my eyes off you.

I love you, baby,
And if it's quite alright,
I need you, baby,
To warm a lonely night.
I love you, baby.
Trust in me when I say:
Oh, pretty baby,
Don't bring me down, I pray.
Oh, pretty baby, now that I found you, stay..



:Banana:

[Tru Blu]

Oh and how can the thick f#ckers from the royal family get into uni? they get sh#t results and still top unis except them, shouldn't be allowed, thicko ginner Harry should have to go to Bolton Institute with his grades! One thing the frogs got right, guiloteening the parasitic f#ckers!

so here we have an ex-student, slagging off the current education system for letting in too many thickos, who doesn't know the difference between the words "except" and "accept"

:rolleyes:

why have so many of you peope got such a problem with people (who clearly you all think are less intelligent and therefore less deserving than yourselves) committing themselves to become more educated? The effect it actually has on you is nil; if they get a degree they deserve it, if they are thick they either wont get a degree or will get a poor one from a poor Uni, if they work hard they'll earn a better award, and if they're actually pretty smart they'll get a good award in a good degree from a good Uni. What difference does what these supposedly less intelligent poeple can or cannot achieve make to you? If you're intelligent and you work hard you'll achieve more.

[oapdodge]

I fink to many poeple go to univercity and get degrees and fink they should get good payed jobs when they leave and find the cant and end up working where they can to pay off debts that they have.it is an excuse to get pissed and not work porper to pay bills and taxis like what i have to.Students are a hindrance to society and all that.Should be stopped and made hard to get into.Get back down the mine or build ships or go into the army thats what is needed.Not like when I was a boy.You don't know how lucky you are.
I got an apple an orange and a few nuts at christmas all we could afford.Get out and get a proper job bloody students.Do all them drugs and things,sleep with loads of different people and drink all the time why would anyone want to do that? ban polys,unis and sixfth form.

[Turkey]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :clap: :D

[Dunny]

Sod uni :)

[SussexClaret]

Originally posted by oapdodge
I fink to many poeple go to univercity and get degrees and fink they should get good payed jobs when they leave and find the cant and end up working where they can to pay off debts that they have.it is an excuse to get pissed and not work porper to pay bills and taxis like what i have to.Students are a hindrance to society and all that.Should be stopped and made hard to get into.Get back down the mine or build ships or go into the army thats what is needed.Not like when I was a boy.You don't know how lucky you are.
I got an apple an orange and a few nuts at christmas all we could afford.Get out and get a proper job bloody students.Do all them drugs and things,sleep with loads of different people and drink all the time why would anyone want to do that? ban polys,unis and sixfth form.

Too true :cool2: