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Discussion in 'Current Affairs' started by johnnyT, Nov 16, 2018.
Old rich man not worried about other people's job *shock*
In other news, Bears sh*t in the woods
Lost by 58 May has to resign.
So what the f*ck happens now?
Duhh. A 4th vote obviously.
Clean WTO Brexit on the 12th.
I'm genuinely baffled by this, parliament have voted against literally everything put forward, we're at complete gridlock now.
Been like that for a long while now
Another vote, another rejection. What a ****ing embarrassing shambles this is.
Is it that MPs want a no deal Brexit or that they don't want to leave at all?
They are completely against no deal, its about the only thing any clear majority agrees on.
An election is the most likely thing IMO, together with us asking for longer extensions.
The latter, they just don't know how to get there without civil unrest.
GE, got to be surely!?
What difference will an election make? The EUs deal will still be the same and MPs will still vote against everything
Different MPs, potentially different government. Change in negotiations due to new government/pm, large extension, possibly a 2nd ref if Labour win... A lot can change with a new government from a GE.
I'll be amazed if a preferred option does not now emerge from Monday's deliberations. How or if that can be taken forward depends if it can be stomached by enough of those in "power."
I can see no viable route to RDS's "Clean WTO Brexit on the 12th," so the route to asking the EU for a longer extension is either General Election, or a referendum on Monday's MP Selection.
Failing that or if an individual Govt in the EU vetoes, there's probably enough momentum to revoke and start again.
Can't see how a GE solves anything, first off the EU have to grant another long extension to allow for it.
As it stands there only appears 2 options Leave without a deal or revoke Article 50. Either way it's going to be a shambles.
Probably nothing but I would presume Labour are hoping they would get a majority and could then get their deal through?
Maybe the Tories campaign on a hard or no leave brexit pledge and that wins the day?
That is another possible route, two of the closest of the indicative votes IIRC were 2nd referendum and something else, with a lot of people saying that people voted on the day for their number 1 preference and voted everything else down, so I suppose in theory with the most favourable options could garner more votes and then one of those is taken forward, possibly to a 2nd referendum.
Can;t see anything but an extension though, they need to secure that first.
GE would only make a difference if one party stood under the guise of remaining, i'm not convinced Labour would do that, so it'd be back to the same thing again.
And like you i can't see a no deal happening, so i'm honestly stumped.
It's almost as if all of the people who understand the actual damage of this decision don't want it to happen, but at the same time none of them want to tell the public they've made a massive f*cking mistake.
Be interesting though if they did basically turn the GE into a 2nd referendum and Labour did have the balls to campaign on remain.
But like I said I don't think the GE will help, but I think it is likely because I think Labour (falsely imo) think they can win it and thus get through their Brexit.