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Brexit What should happen?

Discussion in 'Current Affairs' started by johnnyT, Nov 16, 2018.

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What should happen now

  1. Leave with May's deal

    5 vote(s)
    4.5%
  2. 2nd referendum weve changed our mind

    40 vote(s)
    36.4%
  3. Cancel it altogether

    29 vote(s)
    26.4%
  4. No Deal **** the EU and lefty snowflakes

    36 vote(s)
    32.7%
  1. Habbinalan

    Habbinalan Registered User

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    Can't secure it "first." They have to have a solid reason and plan for what they are going to do with an extension. Monday Deal with referendum should definitely be enough. Monday deal might be enough on its own if the right noises come from the Government (which would surprise me).

    General Election might feel like an even bigger mess but do the Tories want to stay in power and own a soft Brexit?
     
  2. JaseTheVillain

    JaseTheVillain Registered User

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    I don't think Labour will campaign under Remain, but I think they will campaign under a second referendum, especially seeing as it's effectively their policy right now.
     
  3. FranniesTache

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    I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest to see the EU/Tusk now come out and say to the UK, either you have a second referendum or you crash out with no deal now.
     
  4. tajjuk

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    True.

    EU is now meeting on the 10th April to decide the way forward and wants some sort of plan indication before then.
     
  5. FranniesTache

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    So that fits to my gut instinct about the EU trying to force a second referendum then. To be honest i'd do the same in their position, they hold all the power right now, before all they could do is influence taking May's deal, now they can make it an all or nothing situation.

    For a party that's supposed to represent business it turns out the Tories are f*cking awful at negotiations.
     
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  6. tajjuk

    tajjuk Registered User

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    'One Tory forecasts rise of far right and civil disorder'

    Really? Thats more project fear than project fear ever was.
     
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    Probably.

    At this point save face and leave with no deal and the approach the EU once the Government actually has a clue as to what they're doing so deals can be reached. Might be waiting a while for that second bit though. :laugh:
     
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    Oh and the EU demanding things, comes across to me as being a bit dictatorish. The first result should be respected otherwise what's the point in democracy.
     
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  9. AlissonWonderland

    AlissonWonderland Slumdog Mignolet

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    All the brown people haters on the web harping on "f*ck the eu we will leave with no deal!" Sorry, not an option. The only thing all parties can agree on is "no deal" isn't an option. We're going to have a general election where parties can pledge for which route they want us to take - possibly with another referendum thrown in for good measure.
     
  10. tajjuk

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    I'd quote David Davis on that one - “If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy.”
     
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  11. The Doc

    The Doc #freegabrielheinze

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    Hypothetical here. Tories campaign Brexit and Labour campaign remain.

    Labour voters who want to leave will either abstain or vote an alternate party.

    Tory voters vote Tory because that's what they do, some will abstain but not enough.

    We end up with a Tory government with a majority by default.
     
  12. SALTIRE

    SALTIRE Slàinte mhath!

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    Yup and we over here think the Republicans in Trumpland are bad!
     
  13. SALTIRE

    SALTIRE Slàinte mhath!

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    And Labour don't know their arse from their elbow at the moment, and have made a shocking attempt at being the main opposition; so even if somehow unlikely that they were to get in, the tories would still block anything they proposed going forward, and we would be back to the present status quo.
     
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  14. FranniesTache

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    Pretty much yeah.

    Personally i think the end game now is 2nd ref or No Deal, that's basically where we are.
     
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    Things to consider though -

    Tories would not be able to campaign on a clear Brexit message because they can't agree on one, thus they would IMO lose votes to UKIP who would campaign on a no deal I reckon.

    Tory base is literally dying out.

    Corbyn managed in the last GE to re-invigorate the youth vote and would probably even more so with remain on the table as under 25s were like 75% remain IIRC. Plus another like 2 million plus 16-17 year olds who couldn't vote in the referendum would now be able to vote.

    Labour going remain would align them with Lib Dems and SNP, opening up a possible 'remain' coalition'.

    I think it would be too difficult to predict.
     
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  16. SALTIRE

    SALTIRE Slàinte mhath!

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    I think you may be on to something with Tusk proposing a referendum or No Deal option. At least someone would then make some decisions and show some leadership, even if it did have to come from the EU themselves!

    They must be laughing so hard at the shambles this nation is looking at the moment.
     
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    SamB_SCFC FF Old Skool

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    Project Fear was Project Reality as this absolute mess is proving. Voting Leave was a bad choice and has created an absolute political mess and constitutional crisis which will take decades to fix. And that's without taking into account the future damage that may be yet to come if we eventually do leave.

    The EU aren't demanding anything. All they've said is if you want an extension beyond 22nd May you need to hold the European elections. Which is their right to do because the extension keeps us as a full member of the EU, and with full membership comes the legal obligation to hold the European elections and elect MEPs to the European Parliament. Without doing that, by definition we're in breach of a fundamental condition of full membership and therefore would no longer be able to be considered as members.

    They can't just grant special dispensation for us because that's unfair on the other members who have had to spend money on holding the elections. And there's the practical issue of what happens if we then decide to remain as a full member of the EU permanently after a second referendum? We'd have no MEPs and we'd have to hold our own special election at a different date to elect our representatives. It'd all get a bit legally complicated and probably breaks all sorts of rules in the EU Constitution so they're absolutely in their right to make holding the elections a condition of extending our membership.
     
  18. Andy SFC

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    Outside Parliament looks like pension Day at the post office, if they do kick off they will wear themselves out in 3 minutes. :laugh:
     
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    plus teeny, tiny Tommy who's now taken to employing Polish bouncers to protect him, because the irony of that isn't lost in the slightest :laugh:
     
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  20. RedDevilsShinja

    RedDevilsShinja End Forced Debt + Fiat. Return to Gold

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    Also what the **** was the point in Raab, Boris, Mogg and co flipping to supporting May's deal only to lose anyway? Gotta feel like they've made a massive faux pas
     
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