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Discussion in 'Current Affairs' started by johnnyT, Nov 16, 2018.
It what sense? Illegal activity?
Looks like the EU have run out of patience and NO DEAL will happen.
Always liked the French me.
More the way that misinformation can spread so easily and be treated as fact. In the past people's bullshit views were only shared in the pub or at work and family gatherings and they weren't backed up by faux 'facts' from outside. They weren't interconnected to other people with the same opinions who also believed the same 'facts' and therefore were localised and didn't spread exponentially. People's main source of news was the mainstream media which, while never perfect, was still heavily regulated and absolute bullshit and libellous stuff wouldn't be allowed to be published and if it was, the regulators would come down on it. For me, Brexit and the election of Trump are prime examples of the free, unregulated spread of information going too far and influencing the views of the wider population in a negative way. And it's only going to get worse without intervention.
And then there's the illegal activity you've mentioned like the spread of terrorist ideology and the ease in which like minded individuals can connect together in a relatively untraceable way. The spread of child abuse images, grooming and so on which were nowhere near as widespread before the internet. Paedophiles obviously existed as we've seen with all the historical cases but it's the absolute ease with which it can be done now which is the problem. Dark urges which people used to repress can now be explored in the anonymity of the internet and once they've got the taste of it, it often expands into the real world.
The internet obviously does a great many wonderful things and I'm not saying get rid of it, the cat's out of the bag now. But it drastically needs a great deal more policing and freedoms have to be curbed. You have to think. If you wouldn't do it in real life, why are you doing it on the internet? There's a good reason it's not allowed in real life.
Out with no deal ASAP......the EU shitkickers can do one.
I don't know. Either option is ****ing bonkers but in our arsenal....
I really do hate the EU and Central Banks.
Dominic Grieve vote of no confidence.
Looks like the traitors are going to come unstuck.This will be the first of many.
Remain MP Dominic Grieve suffers no confidence vote
That will have wiped the smile off his smug face.
My contacts in the tea rooms of West Minister are telling me May is coming round to the No Deal default.
If we left on No Deal she is in a no lose situation everyone will blame remainers in Parliament if there are teathing issues.
Well it was always going to be Grieve against UKIP at the next election (if he stood) and that remains the case. It's just a decision on whether he stands as a Tory, Independent Tory or TIG.
Like our own MP, now leader of TIG, his constituents voted remain.
His main opponent last time was the UKIP candidate who, along with around 200 of his followers, then joined and took over the constituency Conservative Association - and have been plotting his removal ever since.
Seems a decent bloke with genuine motivations. If his local Tory Party don't want him, I'm sure he'll have a more comfortable future without them and if he wants to remain an MP then, like our Heidi (Christ did I just say that? - I've only ever voted Labour or tactically in nearly 50 years), he'll have a decent chance of winning against a Hard Brexit UKIP/Tory.
It's the only option she has left that has any credibility, I agree with everything this person says;
Unfortunately I agree that someone like her might be persuaded that this is the case - bit like the men in suits sending in a "trusted friend" to lay out the alternatives for her then leave her with a revolver and bullet to consider her options. I hope it can be seen off.
Even worse, I can also see that in 6 months time I might occasionally believe that the continuing shit shower that came with a further extension was not worth it, (especially as the impact on folk of my generation and locality will be modest and manageable).
For now I'll gird my loins and keep up the good fight for the sake of the nephews and nieces - another easy option as most (admittedly not all) of the Brexiters I know are narrow minded bigots that I'd be embarassed to be associated with.
I agree with this Twitter thread
A second referendum is dumb.
Apparently 170 Tory Mp's and ministers have signed a letter to the PM calling for Clean WTO Brexit, so take that as you will, I expect the number to grow.
Hopefully she does it as anything else is betrayal of the referendum.
In my view Parliament's failure to agree on an approach makes staying in the EU more likely. MPs will absolutely vote for an extension of A50 instead of no deal, and the EU will most likely grant the extension as no deal doesn't benefit anyone.
If there is no agreement on the way forward then a long extension and a general election seems like the most logical thing to do.
So less than the majority of the indicative vote options last week?
Is she really going to try to put it through for a 4th time?
It's like a bloody war of attrition.
She'd be perfect in timeshare sales - relentless tenacity and absolutely no understanding of the word NO!.
No empathy, no strategic thought, just pigheadedness and obstinance.
Her tenacity isn't there either. She boldly proclaimed my deal or no deal and didn't follow through with it. She lost all her authority at that point. Not to mention her constant flip flopping of ruling things out and then going ahead with it and general saying one thing and doing another.