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Discussion in 'General British Football' started by Stuarty, Oct 8, 2018.
does anybody remember Brian clough ?
Didn't mess about, said it how he saw it. If you were offended it was tough titty.
He should have been England's manager but The FA were scared of him as he wasn't a yes man and said exactly what he thought and didn't care who he upset.
I think historically, our clubs biggest regret may be not giving this man the managers role. He loved Sunderland.
Like Adz says, bit of a lege in the NE. Not only at Sunderland but Boro as well.
No nonsense type of bloke, i can still picture him punching one of his own fans when he was at Forest when they invaded the pitch to celebrate
Absolutely. Legend at both clubs as a player, it's baffling that neither gave this great mind a chance to be their manager.
Him and Revie were born about 20 houses away from each other in Middlesbrough, two of the greatest managers of their generation but hated each others guts despite having so much in common.
Legend obviously and probably the most manager the country has seen and I include Sir Alex in that.
Honestly? Didn't know that. I knew they hated each other. Did they ever live there at the same time? As I know Clough was about ten years younger wasnt he?
Being a Liverpool fan I have a different view on Clough than most, understandably I may add.
My apologies, after looking it up it appears I was fed crap information from someone (probably my dad at some point) and they were actually closer to a mile apart.
Mate, having worked around Hillsborough for a year, there are still a lot, who were there that day, that are convinced of the same Clough said. Some people become so entrenched in their point of view and are too proud to actually admit they were wrong. He shouldn't be forgiven for what he said though.
Wouldn’t last five minutes in the modern game let alone 41 days or whatever it was.
and if i remember right they kissed and made up a few days later.
He punched and knocked Roy Keane over in Keanes Forest days.
Clough was the Greatest manager ever imo , he was also an exceptional striker , buggered knee at 24 ruined him. If you love football read his autobiographies they are incredible.
Revie was never really considered a Boro legend as he never played for us but to have both of them be so successful and live a mile apart Valley Road to Bell street) is a bit weird.
Better than Shankly? Paisley? Fergie? Busby? Nah sorry mate, no way.
Yeah, to do what he did with what he had was something nobody else will ever do.
Clough was a great manager but I would never classify him as the greatest, the honours on that one I am afraid would go to SAF, Wenger and Paisley as someone else mentioned, Clough had Peter Taylor beside him for years and they worked together as a great double act but then again that's not for me to judge and it's my opinion only and others may differ.
To win the first division twice, one with a newly promoted team and one with an incredibly unfancied Forest team that had only been in the league 1 year at that point is phenomenal. Add the european cups he won with Forest (1 year and 2 years after promotion) and he has to be in the conversation. Won as much as Shankly with significantly worse teams.
Clough was never the same without Taylor beside him though. Superb achievement what he did at Derby and Forrest though. Busby made Man Utd, and Fergie more than built on that (and his spell with Aberdeen breaking the Old Firms duopoly - alongside McLean at Dundee Utd - was also a phenomenal achievement). Shankly the same with Liverpool and Paisley built on his legacy. All great managers.
I didn't know about Clough commenting poorly on Hillsborough though; that was misjudged to say the least, though he did renege on that 12 years after.