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Charlie Gard.

Discussion in 'Current Affairs' started by Super_horns, Jul 12, 2017.

  1. Burg

    Burg Kevin McDonald FC

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    I can't blame the parents as I couldn't bare imagine what they're suffering and going through and they obviously just want their son and that's completely understandable. However, the opportunistic attitude of the Pro-Life activists, Trump, the Pope, etc whom have jumped on the case in an attempt to further their own cause is disgusting. I heard an Arizona Senator used this case to try and prove that the NHS does not work, again using a tragic case to further his own views and politicise a case that shouldn't at all be politicised.
     
  2. StretfordEnd

    StretfordEnd Moderately extreme
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    Laudible comments, but you missed out the bit where the doctors in one of the world's most reputable children's hospitals think this boy is suffering and their prognosis is more suffering with no realistic prospect of improvement.
     
  3. No-One Likes Us

    No-One Likes Us Super Neil Harris

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    I do understand that, genuinely, and concede my view on this may be overly emotive. However, I cannot see a situation where I could walk out of a hospital knowing that maybe if I'd shouted a little louder, fought a little harder, then my child maybe had a chance, rather than letting him slip away without getting any treatment.

    It's just an awful situation all round. It must be like living in a horror film for the parents.
     
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    Playing odds on a near impossible chance that a kid can survive, nevermind live a normal life, while it's 99.9% going to suffer unimaginable pain and torment is close to vanity. Is it about the parents' fight or about the kid?
     
  5. Jonny Ninja

    Jonny Ninja witty unpredictable talent and natural game

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    They've raised the money for his treatment, he should be allowed to have it. Medical miracles do happen from time to time so what is the harm in trying as they have the money? I would guess that most that are digging out the parents aren't parents themselves. Its understandable I suppose but you also have to see it from the parents point of view as well. I would do exactly the same
     
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    The harm is the unnecessary suffering of the child.
     
  7. Jonny Ninja

    Jonny Ninja witty unpredictable talent and natural game

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    So I assume that you know what this treatment involves then? And it will definitely fail as well?? Your last post asks whether this is about the child or publicity for the parents?? You're clearly clueless
     
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    Ad hominem.

    Yes, I've read up on it and the experts say the chances are close to zero.

    I think it is selfish to make it about your determination to save a child beyond saving.
     
  9. Jonny Ninja

    Jonny Ninja witty unpredictable talent and natural game

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    'Experts' are never wrong are they! So as your versed on the illness and treatment, has this controversial treatment ever worked in any capacity or are the parents being conned??
     
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    Medically they tend to be spot on, especially when there's a consensus.

    Never said the parents are being conned, the doctors offering the treatment will be sure to let them know it's not a sure thing. It's the parents' choice to take the risk.
     
  11. Jonny Ninja

    Jonny Ninja witty unpredictable talent and natural game

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    But there isn't any risk. If there is any chance of survival/better life then parents are going to do it. I was told my daughter would very likely beseverely disabled if she survived as her skull was fractured at birth. She was resuscitated twice and drs stated it wouldn't be right doing a 3rd time! They were wrong, and you wouldn't even realise my daughter has any disability unless you spent time with her or are very observant.

    Whilst there is even the most remote chance of survival no parent is going to give that up. I really don't see it as selfish if they've funded it themselves
     
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    The needless suffering of the child is the risk. I'm happy to learn about your daughter but this circumstance is far more severe.

    I understand the emotive nature of parenthood but they're going to put a human through torment for their own sake. Sometimes the seed is bad, it's a horrible thing to say but unfortunately it's true.
     
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    No-One Likes Us Super Neil Harris

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    And to give him a chance to live.
     
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    A threadbare chance to live and even less to have a semblance of quality of life. I'll leave it there because it's an emotive topic. I'll read a response if you give one but won't be furthering the discussion.
     
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    You mean 'remain alive' surely ? They are forcing his body to stay alive ...... he's certainly not 'living' life at best he's being forced to continue to 'exist'
     
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    you don't, and in all fairness unless you have kids you can't! I don't mean that in a condescending way but you can't understand what a parent would go through without being in that situation. However unlikely success is, very few would give up if they had the money that 'could' potentially make a difference. Clearly the specialists at the hospital over here feel differently to those that would carry out any treatment
     
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    It's certainly a tragic case and one can only feel sympathy for any parents jn the situation.....but it looks like it's time to let go in my opinion.....not that I'd relish being the one to make the ultimate descision!
     
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    Looks like Charlie and his family will get the chance to go to the States.
     
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    If that's the case then obviously I hope it helps!..no reason to wish for anything else I know.
     
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