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Chelsea vs Manchester United

Discussion in 'Premier League Match Threads' started by Tornado, Nov 23, 2021.

  1. upper90

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    Didn't Sir Alex blame a defeat on the kit they were wearing once....
     
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    Yeah think he was rightly ridiculed if I remember correctly.
     
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    He did, that was a pathetic excuse too.
     
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    tbf reading what Tuchel said, it isn't a ridiculous statement. He isn't blaming floodlights, just suggesting a reason why he may have ****ed up.
     
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    Not sure I’d use this game as an example of Sancho looking “solid” tbf. He scored an important goal from a big error but he didn’t do anything else of note in the game.

    Seems to be another Bundesliga flop at the moment.
     
  7. Tornado

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    Tuchel out
     
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    Excellent result against the best team in the league.

    Carrick has deputised well over this short period, hopefully Rangnick is in place for the Arsenal game and we start to see the fruits of his approach relatively quickly.
     
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    It has been suggested Rangnick selected the team and was dishing out orders via Fletchers earpiece.
     
  10. Tornado

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    Doubt it.

    VDB came on with 2 minutes remaining so Ole's spirit was ever present.
     
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    I actually thought it was quite a poor Chelsea side compared to what they could've fielded. Only a couple at best you could make an argument for getting in the Liverpool or City side.

    Different story had Lukaku, Kante, Mount, Pulisic, Chillwell, Havertz etc. all started.
     
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    They weren't at their best, no.

    I'd say that, despite their weaker squad, Tuchel's coaching has made them the best team in the league this season, though - as evidenced by their position at the top of the table.
     
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    I reckon Chelsea were complacent thinking the win was naturally going to happen as United have been poor.
     
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    No chance Ronaldo is getting on when he did if Rangnick is barking orders.
     
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    Not sure I agree with that at all.

    We have a poor record against United lately, there was an extremely biased ref in charge (just for you Stret), we had 5 regular starters missing (Kante, Mount, Chilwell, Lukaku, Havertz) and we had the pressure on us to win knowing both Liverpool and City had already won.

    I don’t think complacency was an issue at all. If anything the ruthless arrogance that comes from winning was missing. We just struggle to score goals so when you’re playing an ultra defensive set up with a number of key players out it’s all a bit inevitable with what will happen for us. We were relying on a penalty, set piece or error to score from and eventually got one. We just gave away our own sloppy goal though.

    Sancho went off injured though. Not even sure why you’re suggesting Ragnick hates Ronaldo so much.

    He said before he wouldn’t buy him when he was over 30. He didn’t say he was shit.
     
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    You think bringing Ronaldo on at 1-0 up with 30 minutes left away to Chelsea is a smart move?

    Not saying he hates him, just saying that doesn't strike me as the right move to make given the situation in the game at the time.
     
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    Do you not think it’s a smart move to bring on Ronaldo when one of your forwards is injured and you’re getting loads of chances on the counter?

    United had a goal lead at the time were happy to sit back and counter when they got the chance. Ronaldo is their best goal scorer it made perfect sense to bring him on. I’m not sure anyone questioned his introduction.
     
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    I'd have brought on Lingard at that time, who presses the ball way more than Ronaldo does. :shrug

    Ronaldo didn't do anything in 30 minutes last night. So if people aren't questioning his introduction then they are ignoring the obvious.
     
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    Were United even looking to press? They had a 1-0 lead at the time and had spent 90% of the game camped outside their own box. Is the solution really to bring on a squad filler with less than 90 PL minutes under his belt for the season to press by himself?

    Equally strange to try and justify excluding Ronaldo based on a 30 minute cameo yesterday rather than the rest of his stats for this season alone.
     
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    I think bringing on fresh legs in that role is to bring someone on who can harass the opposition a bit. Christ, the goal came from an unforced error.

    I am not judging him on 30 minutes, I am judging him on the fact he does not press the ball and at that moment in time I think it would have made sense to bring someone on with a bit more energy.

    At the end of the day you want to keep a 1-0 lead as long as possible in order to bring the opposition out. Ronaldo's impact would have made more sense at 75-80 minutes had they managed to keep the lead. Ronaldo isn't being brought on to conserve and so the decision at the time was questionable.
     

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