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England's best 11?

Discussion in 'International Football' started by TylerB, Mar 26, 2019.

  1. DeadlyDemon

    DeadlyDemon Spurs optimist

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    More than Chilwell and Shaw combined I imagine.
     
  2. Jefferson

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    You must have quite an imagination.
     
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    He's been involved in 32 goals over the past 5 seasons
     
  4. DeadlyDemon

    DeadlyDemon Spurs optimist

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    Shaw 10, Chilwell 6. Total 16.

    So no, @Jefferson - not me imagining things.

    I've got Rose at 27 but Will's might include all comps or be taken from elsewhere.
     
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    Taken from transfermarkt, 13/14 season to now in all comps
     
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    Right-back. But with Alexander-Arnold and Win-Bassaka as well as Kyle Walker coming into his prime years, I can't envisage AMN getting near the starting spot.

    However, his versatility might make him an attractive option for a squad. He can play both full-back roles (and as a wing-back), defensive midfielder and on the wing.
     
  7. Jefferson

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    It's not just Rose that is not up to England standards, the sooner Henderson and Dier (in midfield) are pushed out, the better.
     
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    Agreed but Barkley over Rice for now imo
     
  9. JoshBCFC

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    Think you missed this from Will mate
     
  10. DeadlyDemon

    DeadlyDemon Spurs optimist

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    The problem with this is you need the replacements to be of a better standard.

    Henderson and Dier keep their place in the squad because they are the best options we have.

    Henderson and Dier play week in week out for two of the best teams in the country, let's not pretend they're keeping a peak Makelele or someone out of the team. Likewise with Rose or Pickford or anyone else who's place comes under question.

    Sterling, Alli and others likewise. The pool of players to choose from isn't the highest quality. I disagree that some of these players aren't England standard, they arguably play at a higher standard for their club. International football isn't what it was 20-30 years ago.

    I don't know how many of England's best 11 I'd take at Spurs for instance. Hudson-Odoi hasn't even started a league game for Chelsea yet.
     
  11. TylerB

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    Sterling isn't the highest quality? Go home, you're drunk.
     
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    Henderson was also one of England's better performers over the last two games. They have different strengths but he's a better overall player than Eric Dier, that's for sure.

    It's also criminal that some people are leaving out Joe Gomez from their best 11's.
     
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    My point obviously wasn't too clear.

    My point was that Sterling was another who has had their selection come under criticism. I don't mind people questioning players such as Rose, Dier, Henderson, Alli, Sterling or whoever if there are better alternatives but the reality is the quality of players to choose from isn't the highest standard.

    It's not like at club level where in most instances you can find another option. England have a limited selection of players to pick from. People can criticise the likes of Rose playing for England but it's not like he's costing a peak Maldini a place in the team.
    Rose has been as good as any left-back over the last few years, certainly English left-backs.
     
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    I think one or both (Dier probably) may find his place under threat from Rice fairly soon. He’s still going to be a good squad option though even if he does, especially as he can play at the back if needed.
     
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    I don’t rate Alli but I don’t moan about his inclusion as what other option do we have that’s better or actually plays. I do moan about Rose starting though as this season both Chilwell and more so Shaw have been better than him. What he’s done in the past five years doesn’t really count, only this season does and should.
     
  16. TylerB

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    Alli is a talented player but his record in an Englands shirt, considering his ability, is woeful. He just doesn't suit the type of game Southgate wants his England team to play, and is also a bit lost in a midfield 3. It would be fine if we played with two holding midfielders such as Rice and Dier and played Alli as a genuine attacking midfielder or second striker, but Southgate doesnt ever use his midfield three like that. He would be a bench option at best for me when playing a midfield three, and those three would be chosen from Rice, Henderson, Winks, Loftus-Cheek, Lingard, Barkley and Madison.
     
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    We (England) don't utilise Alli properly. He needs a free role as close to the opposition goal as possible and I don't think Southgate will give him that luxury. Hence him playing deeper and looking bang average in the World Cup.
     
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    Yeah, I am aware of why they get picked but the sooner they get "pushed out" the better (by more suitable players like say, Rice.
     
  19. TylerB

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    If they fulfull their potential, then England could suddenly have a very good midfield in the near future in Rice, Loftus-Cheek and Foden. RLC could be brilliant - He needs more consistency and to find a club top club that will start him every week when fit and available. I do like Harry Winks too, but as he doesn't score goals currently he goes a bit under the radar. Technically he's a very sound player.

    Rice
    Loftus-Cheek
    Foden

    Sancho
    Sterling
    Rashford

    I'll have some of that.
     
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    Henderson and Dier one of the poorest midfield combos of all time for England
     

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