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Discussion in 'FF All Time XI' started by kaboose, Jul 3, 2017.
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I had this argument with some drafters a long time ago. Giggs was great on the left for his entire career. Rivaldo is clearly the better player though. Giggs never won a Balon d'Or while playing on the left like Rivaldo did.
I voted Giggs for trophies and longevity.
Giggs played from 1990-2014
Rivaldo played from 1991-2015
Ok longevity at the top level you dick
Didn't realize you were such a United fan. C*nt.
Oh I am a massive red devil mate...Cantona...Fergie...Giggsy are my religion.
Giggs was the better winger and is underrated.
Rivaldo is the better player, but Giggs is the better winger imo, and arguably had a better season that Rivaldo in 1999. I think none of our players won the 99 Ballon D'Or simply because they were all amazing.
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I remember a debate on what's App when you claimed Rivaldo was a better winger than Giggs Kaboose
Rivaldo had a higher peak level but Giggs was at his peak for much longer and is an underrated player.
A 4-4-2 formation is the only time I'd consider Giggsy anywhere near Rivaldo. In a 4-2-3-1 its Rivaldo every time!
I would have categorised Rivaldo as an attacking midfielder rather than a left winger. His best attributes aren't really used in that role.
Also I don't think playing on the left of a front three makes you a "winger" necessarily. Ronaldinho played the exact same role for the exact same club and I've never seen him described as a winger.
I've always thought of Ronaldinho as a winger.
I understand that name is only to have a reference not to speak of a specific position.
I really like the terminology in english because it refers to the main function and certainly there are many different players for the sides.
side-midfielder = David Beckham, Mauro Camoranesi, Robert Pirés, Fredrik Ljungberg ...
wing = Stanley Matthews, Ryan Giggs, Francisco Gento, Luis Figo, Joaquín ...
wing-forward = Garrincha, George Best, Jairzinho, Dragan Dzajic, Arjen Robben, Franck Ribery ...
side-forward = Cristiano Ronaldo, Hristo Stoichkov, Omar Sívori, Neymar, Lionel Messi, Allan Simonsen, when Rummenigge, Henry, Villa, Mandzukic played by the sides.
side-attacking midfielder = Pavel Nedved, also Ljungberg, when Isco plays by the sides, Zinedine Zidane in Real Madrid from 2002-2005 ...
side-mediapunta/trequartista = Ronaldinho, Rivaldo, Zbigniew Boniek, when James, Juan Mata, Henrik Mkhitaryan play by the side, Marco Reus..
In my opinion the side midfielders, wings and wing-forwards I include them in a general category of wingers ... the side-forward in the category of forwards.
By the way ... CR7 played as wing from 2002-2007, as wing-forward from 2007-2009, as side-forward from 2009-2013.
Lionel Messi played as wing-forward from 2006-2008, as side-forward from 2008-2010 and from 2015 until today he has played as side-mediapunta/trequartista and side-attacking midfielder.
Ryan Giggs somehow beats a much better player than him to advance!