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FF's Greatest Album of All Time

Discussion in 'Music' started by Tomohawk, Jul 27, 2020.

  1. Adam

    Adam Are you cereal?

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    I'm not a massive Metallica fan to be honest. I like the Black album and some of AJFA but their first 2 albums hold little interest for me. I'm not big into thrash metal so maybe the production of Master of Puppets is 10/10 but if the songs don't interest me it doesn't matter.
     
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    It was just an example to show how production can hinder an album, and it was the clearest example that came to mind.
     
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    I'm not a Metallica fan either but Master of Puppets sounds great while Justice sounds awful only because poor Lars didn't like Jason and he thought that mixing down the bass all the way down to zero was a good idea, What an idiot. And he still can't play the drums.
     
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    Oh by the way, one of my picks has made it through. Yeah baby. Wahoo!

     
  5. Adam

    Adam Are you cereal?

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    Is it that sort of tinny sound on AJFA that's a symptom of poor production? I don't mind it personally, but it was noticeable even to me that something was different.
     
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    Yeah it's poor production, the main problem with it is that it's intentional for reasons @Vanni mentioned, but it also makes it easier for the uninitiated to understand the difference. Another example, even if it's a bit harder to notice exactly what's wrong with it is 'The Stage' by Avenged Sevenfold vs their 'City Of Evil' album, The Stage sounds horrendous in comparison and makes it a much more difficult listen.

    Here's what AJFA should sound somewhat like btw, this has been remixed to actually include Jason's bits.

     
  7. Tomohawk

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    This has been very notable whilst I have been searching out the relevant albums. So many are remastered and I was amazed to find that this was, in most cases, the only option on offer
     
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    It has to be said though that the task of remastering Justice for All was relatively an easy job not unlike the big majority of other poor sounding albums. Metallica had recorded the album on tape just like all the others, i.e with the bass audible as it should be, and the stupid decision to 'get revenge' on Jason was only taken at a very late stage in the mixing process. In short, all they had to do re. the remaster was to fall back on one of the earlier mixes, and someone like Metallica will have loads of different mixes laid down on tape to choose from.

    Other artists don't have that luxury, as they'll only have a couple of mixes to choose from, and the remastering process will be a headache for all involved.

    PS - as for the whole remasters vs original dilemma, I tend to go for the latter as I believe that very few engineers really know how to do a good remastering job. In most cases it's just the 'turn up the bass and treble approach'. Plus, and this is much worse IMO, most remasters end up sounding like a mono record from the 50's.
     
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    For continuity purposes here is the full list compared to "1001 albums" which I mentioned in an earlier post. 77 out of 200.

    •Definitely Maybe by Oasis
    •OK Computer by Radiohead
    •Rumours by Fleetwood Mac
    •The Queen Is Dead by The Smiths
    •(What's The Story) Morning Glory? by Oasis
    •The Stone Roses by The Stone Roses
    •Is This It by The Strokes
    •The Bends by Radiohead
    •Appetite for Destruction by Guns n Roses
    •Original Pirate Material by The Streets
    (16-) Who's Next by The Who {Page 48, #950}
    (18-) Nevermind by Nirvana {Page 46, #920}
    (22-) Born in the U.S.A. by Bruce Springsteen {Page 46, #919}
    (22-) Blood on the Tracks by Bob Dylan {Page 46, #915}
    (22-) Ten by Pearl Jam {Page 46, #909}
    (22-) Trout Mask Replica by Captain Beefheart and his Magic Band {Page 43, #857}
    (22-) Metal Box by Public Image Ltd {Page 43, #846}
    (37-) Led Zeppelin IV by Led Zeppelin {Page 42, #835}
    (40-) Everything Must Go by Manic Street Preachers {Page 42, #828}
    (40-) Fat of the Land by The Prodigy {Page 41, #803}
    (40-) Revolver by The Beatles {Page 41, #801}
    (40-) Modern Life Is Rubbish by Blur {Page 40, #787}
    (40-) Good Kid, m.A.A.D City by Kendrick Lamar {Page 40, #786}
    (52) London Calling by The Clash {Page 40, #785}
    (54-) Tubular Bells by Mike Oldfield {Page 39, #769}
    (54-) Wish You Were Here by Pink Floyd {Page 39, #768}
    (54-) Dookie by Green Day {Page 39, #767}
    (54-) Bad by Michael Jackson {Page 39, #766}
    (54-) Thriller by Michael Jackson {Page 39, #761}
    (54-) Tago Mago by Can {Page 38, #758}
    (54-) Back to Black by Amy Winehouse {Page 38, #757}
    (68-) Abbey Road by The Beatles {Page 36, #705}
    (68-) Licensed to Ill by Beastie Boys {Page 36, #702}
    (68-) A Grand Don't Come For Free by The Streets {Page 30, #597}
    (85-) The Stranger by Billy Joel {Page 30, #593}
    (85-) The College Dropout by Kanye West {Page 28, #557}
    (98-) The Holy Bible by Manic Street Preachers {Page 24, #479}
    (98-) Purple Rain by Prince and the Revolution {Page 27, #528}
    (98-) Bridge Over Troubled Water by Simon and Garfunkel {Page 27, #525}
    (98-) Hunky Dory by David Bowie {Page 27, #521}
    (98-) The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders From Mars by David Bowie {Page 24, #494}
    (98-) The Last Broadcast by Doves {Page 24, #484}
    (113) The Man Who by Travis {Page 24, #461}
    (114-) Sound Of Silver by LCD Soundsystem {Page 24, #461}
    (114-) Joan Armatrading by Joan Armatrading {Page 23, #456}
    (114-) Pet Sounds by The Beach Boys {Page 23, #454}
    (114-) Exodus by Bob Marley {Page 21, #403}
    (114-) American Idiot by Green Day {Page 21, #402}
    (114-) Psychocandy by The Jesus And Mary Chain {Page 21, #401}
    (114-) Bandwagonesque by Teenage Fanclub {Page 20, #400}
    (131-) The Joshua Tree by U2 {Page 20, #399}
    (131-) Rage Against The Machine by Rage Against The Machine {Page 20, #399}
    (133-) Queen II by Queen {Page 20, #398}
    (133-) L.A. Woman by The Doors {Page 20, #397}
    (133-) Tarkus by Emerson, Lake & Palmer {Page 18, #357}
    (133-) Henry's Dream by Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds {Page 18, #357}
    (133-) Urban Hymns by The Verve {Page 18, #353}
    (133-) Toxicity by System Of A Down {Page 18, #348}
    (150-) Illinois by Sufjan Stevens {Page 18, #346}
    (150-) Songs In The Key Of Life by Stevie Wonder {Page 18, #343}
    (150-) Songs From The Big Chair by Tears For Fears {Page 16, #319}
    (166-) Pink Moon by Nick Drake {Page 16, #308}
    (166-) The Doors by The Doors {Page 16, #307}
    (166-) The Wall by Pink Floyd {Page 16, #304}
    (166-) Illmatic by Nas {Page 13, #246}
    (166-) Electric Ladyland by Jimi Hendrix {Page 13, #246}
    (166-) Parachutes by Coldplay {Page 13, #244}
    (166-) Fleet Foxes by Fleet Foxes {Page 13, #242}
    (185) Life Thru A Lens by Robbie Williams - {Page 12, #234}
    (186-) Brothers In Arms by Dire Straits - {Page 12, #232}
    (186-) Back In Black by AC/DC - {Page 12, #231}
    (186-) Liege & Lief by Fairport Convention - {Page 12, #229}
    (200-) On The Beach by Neil Young - {Page 10, #185}
    (200-) A Rush of Blood to the Head by Coldplay - {Page 9, #179}
    (200-) Village Green Preservation Society by The Kinks - {Page 9, #177}
    (200-) The Specials by The Specials - {Page 9, #174}
    (200-) XX by The XX - {Page 9, #170}
     
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    As it's a football Forum and we all love a stat, I have done some on the list.

    Decades first,

    60's - 9
    70's - 30
    80's - 22
    90's - 42
    00's - 76
    10's - 36

    And the best year for music, according to FF are 2001 and 2005 with 10 albums each.
     
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    And the years without any albums since 1963 are,1964, 1965, 1978, 1983, 1988 and 2016.
     
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    Damn, 2016 was an amazing year for music, could have easily had Dissociaton by Dillinger Escape Plan, Terminal Redux by Vector, Stage Four by Touche Amore, Integrity Blues by JEW or All Our Gods Have Abandoned Us by Architects on my list.

    Seventh Son of a Seventh Son by Iron Maiden is easily the AOTY for 1988 with Holy Diver by Dio for 1983, earlier than that I really don't know enough music however.
     
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    Nah - Mid 90's was incredible for me - 1994 to 1997 was ridiculous. Depends how old you are I suppose, being a 48 year old student indie type, that was my era. I think it's also when you're into music the most - then you'll search and like more music. Most of the new stuff I like is 'shazaming' stuff I hear on BBC6 Music

    Well I listened to the two albums in the top 15 I hadn't heard before, the ones by Tool and Brand New. Not for me. I listened to all of the Tool one and could only get through half of the Brand New one, think I was disappointed that it wasn't a bit perkier than the Tool one. Very niche - just found them a bit ponderous and basically boring. But, that's just my ear.
     
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    Just realised that Who's Next misses out by one place. To me that beats all but one album left :cry:
     
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    And the Frightened Rabbit album just missed out, I would have liked to have heard opinions on that record.

    As for me, I’d never heard any Tool material but that Lateralus album is very good, a bit drum-centric but some great tunes.
    Skinner doesn’t do it for me. Some good tunes on OPM but a lot of it sounds daft now.
    Fleetwood Mac is a no, as is Hot Fuss. Once you’ve heard Mr Brightside it’s like someone called last orders to signal the party’s over.
    And this is still my option of course, but Appetite and it’s Americanness annoys the **** out of me.
     
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    A crime.
    One of my picks. Absolutely love that album. They released a new album last year too, called Fear Inoculum. It's an absolute masterpiece imo.
     
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    Oasis having 2 albums in the top 15 backs my stance that they are over-rated :laugh:
     
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    Every album they've released has been a masterpiece.
     
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    Almost agree. Undertow is good but not at the same level.
     
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    Undertow has some of their best riffs and I like it as it flows a bit better imo without all the interludes.
     

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