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Is Hard Brexit dead?

Discussion in 'Current Affairs' started by Hayvek, Jun 10, 2017.

  1. Andy SFC

    Andy SFC Registered User

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    You expect honesty and integrity from the civil service? :laugh:Said it before, why does anyone believe the will of the people exists outside of social media? They have never cared what we thought before and certainly don't now. We had a referendum as they thought we would back them up as the electorate did on the voting reform referendum a few years prior to EU Referendum. Now we haven't they are blagging their way through it, badly. There is no will of the people, there never has been, they will do what they want to do and whatever is best for them.
     
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  2. JTC77

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    We do not have an independent nuclear deterrent. It says so on paper, but we are heavily reliant on the US for our missiles, parts and servicing. Its also a dinosaur.

    That's because, unlike what the Brexiteers claim, we are a sovereign nation who can do what we like. My point is that if we are less reliant on the US for our protection, then we are less likely to do what they tell us, when they tell us and how they tell us. Working closer with the EU on defense is the only other realistic alternative. .

    France, Germany and most of the EU were against the war in Iraq, and they were correct not to follow the USA into that illegal war that costs around half a million lives, and created a power vacuum for ISIS to fill.
     
  3. RedDevilsShinja

    RedDevilsShinja Non Gender Attack Helicopter personnel

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    As if we can't take back full control? And so what if we're reliant on the US for it, they're our closest ally.

    So we'd be trading one super state for another. Do you not think that the EU wouldn't tell us what to do, how to do it and when to do it? And again who do we actually have to be afraid of and need protecting against?

    Iraq is just one of many conflicts the US is involved with. The power vacuum was formed when the Obummer thought it was a clever idea to drop the US's support for a nation just getting to grips with democracy that's massively underdeveloped.
     
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  5. JTC77

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    So we haven't got an independent nuclear deterrent is we have to "take it back"? We have agreement there.The other year there was a malfunction but details could not be disclosed to our own parliament. So much for sovereignty.
    US official contradicts Government claims over rogue nuclear weapons 'failure'

    Within the EU we are a leading nation, we have a vote and a veto. However, when it comes to our relationship with the USA we are lead. Do you really think the US looks upon us as equals?

    The USA. We need to stop following them into needles conflicts, especially now they are lead by a baby who is sympathetic to the far right.

    Which is exactly why we need to put distance between our foreign policy and that of the USA, who as you note are always in some conflict or other.

    I think getting rid of Saddam, Gaddafi, and encouraging the wider Arab spring was more to blame than Obama, who was a much better president than Trump will ever be.
     
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    Its amazing how many people are trying to get in legally and illegally to the shit hole that is the UK and USA.
     
  7. JTC77

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    I'd go to Scandinavia. Those countries always do well on the happiness index.
     
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    Me too ABBA.....oh yeah!
     
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    Isn't Sweden the suicide capital of the world?

    Edit: just checked and no it isn't. **** knows where I got that from...
     
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    BoroWill probably he makes most things up on here.
     
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    The narrative that might of got you confused is rape capital. Or you might of confused it for South Korea or something :thumb
     
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    Nope, but we still do have a deterrent.


    Yes but in the EU we're one of many, and like I said, the veto means jack shit in the long term. We are only led because our spineless politicians allow us to be lead, something a sovereign nation doesn't have to do. I don't really give a shit what the US looks upon us as.
    Not all the conflicts are needless, but please explain to me in what way is the USA a threat to us? If you genuinely think that you're lost mate.

    Yes but this doesn't necessitate that we're part of the EU.

    Saddam was bush for sure, but the rest was firmly on Obama's shoulders, and not Obama can never be a better president than Trump as Trump is already the greatest post war president the US has had, by simple virtue of what he's achieved in North Korea, let alone the multitude of other good he's done for the US, and will continue to do. Obama was a disaster on all accounts and easily the worst post war president the US has had.
     
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    One needless conflict is bad enough but just take at our last two wars

    Afghanistan. A bunch of Saudi's carry out a disgusting terrorist attack, so we go to war with Afghanistan. 456 British armed forces killed and thousands wounded.
    Iraq. An illegal war, that cost 183 British lives and thousands more wounded.

    What do you think they will ask us to do if Trump decides Iran needs a dose of freedom?


    And you say I'm lost?
     
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    Iran's going to be dealt with diplomatically just like North Korea has.

    He's the western worlds greatest post war leader for the simply fact that he's solved the North Korea issue. By an absolute country mile too, if you can't look past your dislike of Trump to acknowledge that then you are truly lost.
     
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    If he’d got it from me the answer would’ve been South Korea or Japan. They’re generally around the top.
     
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    Is that wilful obfuscation on your part? The September 11th 2001 attackers might have well have been overwhelmingly of Saudi nationality but they were of an international terrorist network which was holed up in Afghanistan with the approval of the Taliban, who controlled nearly all of Afghanistan at that time. Accordingly, we were clearly "at war" with Al-Qaeda and The Taliban, not Afghanistan.

    Nothing like a massive overstatement! First, let's see if the agreement with North Korea holds, eh? And if you are going to make such grand statements based on North Korea, on what basis do you rate it as more of an achievement than, say, JFK's central role in preventing nuclear conflict during the Cuban Missile Crisis and mid 1980s onwards, Gorbachev/Reagan working together towards détente between USSR and US and the subsequent scaling back of nuclear armaments, Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan, fall of the Berlin Wall and end of the Cold War etc
     
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    I think you may have just topped the dumbest post ever on here. Up there with @Jefferson claiming that Hitler wasn’t a fascist.

    Could you provide any evidence to show he solved the North Korea problem? We’ve had plenty of false dawns before with North Korea, them falling in line undermines the leaderships entire story, it will not last.

    Don’t you think it’s strange that North Korea agreed to talks immediately after their nuclear facility had a huge cave in killing an unknown number of people? Get some more money in from a ‘treaty’ to fund their rebuild.

    If you genuinely think Trump is the greatest post war president (never mind post war world leader) then you need to get off the crack and wake the **** up. You’re bloody mental.
     
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    I guarantee in at most two year's time nobody will be saying he's solved the North Korea issue.
     
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    No point scoring here, this is simply hilarious, it turns out Domnic Raab has just discovered we're an island :laugh:

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