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Is Hard Brexit dead?

Discussion in 'Current Affairs' started by Hayvek, Jun 10, 2017.

  1. brewer

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    I suspect that a more accurate assessment would be that both the UK & the Tory Party were in such a shambolic state that it was inevitable that people would vote to Leave Particularly when our every misfortune was blamed on the EU & immigrants, so much so that people actually believed this nonsense..
     
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    its fine we can all grow our own like in The Good Life, thats how us Brits get on with things. There will be no money, just swapping carrots for potatoes and leeks for celery.
     
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    That's me ****ed..I hate celery.
     
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    I thought we were halving our population by doing this brexit thing so hopefully we won't need as much food.
     
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    We'e got a LOT of surplus Rhubarb if you're interested ?
     
  7. Andy SFC

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    Oooh love a good crumble.
     
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    I know you’re not being serious but the NFU was staying categorically than the U.K. can only be self-sufficient in terms of food supplies for a year after no deal, and that’s with the U.K. government only guaranteeing the current EU subsidies farmers receive until 2020 (IIRC). Imagine what will happen after that.

    Still, we can import factory farmed, chemical covered chicken from the US and African farmed food stuffs with all the safety regulations and worker’s rights in place in that part of the world.

    #Winning
     
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    What safety regulations do you need for food that arent already in place?

    You seem to forget we created most of these regulations in the first place which the EU copied.

    Do you know how it works? We send a man to the fields in Africa for example where food is grown.He tests it and gives the green light that it meets our spec.

    This is exactly how it happens now in the food industry no different.

    Plus we can take whole communities out of poverty too.

    #WON
     
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    It depends which country you’re proposing we import food from. Each African nation has different regulation. The AU has made steps towards implementing a common food standards framework throughout the region (I can imagine your horror!) but it’s in a very early stage and only applies to those nations who volunteer to be involved.

    I haven’t ‘forgotten’ anything, Ditzy. We’re talking about what is going to replace the food we previously imported from the EU.

    No, Ditzy. ‘Imported products of animal origin’ are examined at Border Inspection Posts prior to entering the U.K.. The astoundingly obvious reason for that is that the food is being imported from a county with a different regulatory framework than our own. Only a gullible fool would think that a one off inspection on a farm within a State that has a comparatively loose regulatory framework would suffice enough to get rid of the BIPS.

    This is as opposed to the EU agricultural policy (the much misunderstood and maligned, with some justification Common Agricultural Policy) which subsidies our own farmers to ensure Europe is self-sufficient in terms of providing its citizens with food and operates a common regulatory framework which allows for the single market to operate. Food products are therefore farmed by Europeans and travel unhindered throughout the EU without the need for the type of bureaucracy you want to grow.

    The fact that you want to massively grow the bureaucracy, make us unable to sustain ourselves with the inevitable loss of jobs within the agricultural industry (which already accounts for some of the poorest people in the country) that will follow and rely on cheap imported food from countries with looser regulatory frameworks shows you to be the intellectual midgit and gullible fool that you so obviously are.

    No, Ditzy it isn’t.

    Jesus Christ, Ditzy. If you had the slightest clue about the struggles that British farmers are going through now (with the subsidies that are only guaranteed to 2020 and that African farmers do not get) you wouldn’t be sprouting such nonsense. Once the additional costs of transportation, bureaucratic necessities, time delays on the borders, the international transfer of capital between different continents and the predatory nature of the low cost supermarkets that are the fastest growing in the U.K. is taken into account just how much ‘extra’ do you really think African farmers are going to make?

    The reality is, multi-national corporations will sweep into Africa, take over the farms importing products to Europe and reap whatever profits they can squeeze while the workers get the scraps that are left. Meanwhile, British agriculture will continue to lose profitability and jobs and farms will be lost at an even greater rate than they are now further decreasing our ability to sustain ourselves and ensuring the ever increasing speed of the degenerative cycle.

    Still, utopia is almost upon us, Ditzy.
     
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    Yes cant wait its gona be good, population starting to stabilize already.

    I reckon the EU foodbanks will be gone within 2 years too.
     
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    You see Ditzy, it’s initially cute when trolls pretend to have the slightest clue what they’re talking about but when they get shown up they just descend into this sort of bufoonery which is exceedingly boring.

    Back to FT, little troll.
     
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    No substance in your response again, ill take that as you have no answer.

    The UK is taking back control its a good thing mate.
     
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    :laugh: Shit trolling.

    Ok, Ditzy. :dunce:
     
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    Sir Jim Ratcliffe, one of the richest men in the UK (est. £21bn) & a major funder of the Brexit campaign is leaving the country to live in Monaco & take up residency & citizenship there. Tax dodging?
    Also his major business Ineos will remain in the UK but is moving strategic parts to the continent so as to take advantage of EU subsidies & beneficial trading opportunities. According to the FT (but not the Telegraph?) the decision to relocate is due to the uncertainties of Brexit & the possibility of a no deal Brexit which could possibly adversely affect his business interests.
     
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    The business concerns about the free market are genuine whether we like it or not. Business likes to plan ahead, people get paid a lot of money for providing accurate forecasts and at the moment these people are blindfolded until the deal is finalised. Thats a long time for a business of any size to sit on its hands. No surprise that any business owner would look to protect their business, regardless of their view, just strange that many of them have spent 2 years calling it project fear, then slip their business out a side door into the EU.
     
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    All thanks to remainers in government not giving the MAJORITY what they voted for.
     
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    Is it still 'Project Fear' when business and People like Ratcliffe leave? is there a list somewhere that shows the point where its not project fear any more by project reality ? Perhaps if Dyson and Branson follow him ot the door?

    Will the bitter's say they he / they only left to avoid tax? (in Dysons case this undeniably true plus he's offshored everything he can to Asia sweat shops effectively making the entire town of Trowbridge jobless)

    Is it not perfectly acceptable for them to fvck off take their money with them and live somewhere else simply because they don't want to live in a post brexit britain?
     
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    You honestly think that?
    Both main parties want to stay in, a few rebels aside at their core they want in the EU. The decisions made are not made by May, she gets handed a speech and reads it. The PM runs the country is how you explain it to a 5 year old, we all know they are just the public face. May, Cameron, Blair, all puppets to the city and the city wants to stay in so who do you think will win, 52% or the Financial District of London where all their old school pals run the place?
     

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