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Is Lionel Messi already the Ballon d'Or of 2019?

Discussion in 'General Worldwide Football Discussion' started by Geraldo JĂșnior, Apr 19, 2019.

  1. Eaman

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    People lets not forget the voting for the balon dor doesn't close until near the end of the year so hopefully Messi carries on where he left off in the league and the champions league and he should be clear favourite. Or hopefully Messi can somehow lift the copa America but that will depend on how good his teammates are unless Argentina defend well and Messi can do what only he can do and win it almost singlehandedly
     
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    Imagine Messi losing out to a defender. :laugh:

    I look forward to the faux outrage from ALL quarters. :eeek
     
  3. GrantCFC

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    I think if Argentina wins the Copa, it all but seals it for Messi.
     
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    Once again, because it's considered a normal season for him it's not appreciated but Messi should win it with ease. I think just one other player has cracked 40 goals this season (Lewandowski) yet Messi broke 50 goals. It's incredible standards.
     
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    Winning the Nations League final would help VvD's case, but yeah winning the Copa America would really help Messi & probably ensure that he wins it. Biggest trophy left this year. So maybe even if he just plays well in it.

    Carrying their team to winning the AFCON would help Mane & Salah, they'd have to run riot to be in the frame though.

    They don't carry much status but good performances in the Super Cup Final & Club World Cup could make a difference if the race is close for VvD, Salah & Mane.
     
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    Nations league is glorified friendlies with almost no viewers... why do they matter so much?
     
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    They don't matter so much, the Copa America ranks #1, then the AFCON from the things left. But a Nations League win would help VvD... He went from 2nd favourite to favourite (albeit was a slight increase) just for beating England. Adding International success to Club success would make for a better case. I certainly don't see him beating Messi if he doesn't win cos Messi's got the Copa America to shine in... he will most likely win it if he shines in that regardless of what VvD does.
     
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    The argument for Ballon d'Or not being based on what players won seems to have died down recently.

    Surprised Messi isn't favourite with the season he has had, attackers usually always rate higher then defenders. Might be worth a punt.
     
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    Ali Becker is about to win the Copa America without conceding a goal...surely a contender now?
     
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    Would be nice to see a goaltender win
     
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    Victim of his own success really. It's come to a point where scoring 50+ goals a season and creating more chances than anyone isn't enough for Messi anymore.
     
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    What's incredible is once Messi retires, no mater what the next global attacking superstar comes next, the chances of them duplicating Messi's incredible statistics are slim to none.

    The next superstar might have an unfair judgement that whilst they would be the best in the world, they didn't come close to the previous one which was Messi. Of course that's not Messi's fault for being the greatest player of this generation and smashing records left, right and centre.
     
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    Alisson has very good chances of winning it.

    Mo Salah and Mane have both progressed to the Round of 16 and they have two goals each. One of them might win the Golden Boot, with Salah being most likely, as Egypt is the host.

    Messi had a woeful tournament and he went out in the semis. He has a chance to win the Golden Boot though, as no one has managed to stand out and there are 11 players with 2 goals and Messi has a third place play-off to play.
     
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    He didn't have a woeful tournament but he also didn't have a great one. He was involved in most of Argentina's most dangerous moments in most games and was man of the match v qatar and their best player v Brazil. Still the balon dor voting doesn't start till near the end of the year so he has plenty of time to impress.
     
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    You know a player's performances in the first half don't matter at all. The winner will have been already decided when the Copa America and the African Cup is over. Modric was horrible in the first half of the 18-19 season, but still won.
     
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    I don't have a problem with VvD winning. He is clearly the best player in a side that won the CL, came second in the PL and captained a team to the NL final.

    Also I'm biased because I think being a good defender is much harder than being a good attacking player.
     
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    It's alot harder to score goals than defend. A very poor team can hold out for a nil all on plenty of occasions but they rarely threaten a good teams goal
     
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    Neither do I.

    As it stands though you have to be that much better at your given position over past several years to get anywhere near Messi and then even Ronaldo with the numbers, trophies, performances, etc.
     
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    That's nothing to do withthe quality of their defenders, that is to do with having ten men behind the ball.

    A team that is attacking, but never concedes is usually down to having top players at the back (e.g. United in the late 00's, current Liverpool), who can let the rest of the team bomb forward, as they have it covered.
     
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    Alot of that is true but neither of those teams were complete attacking teams like barcelona were years ago or man city now. Liverpool play with alot of defensive mids and do alot of counter attacking as did United. But really creating goals is harder than defending goals
     

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