Was having a discussion with a fellow member on here and a little side argument came up involving Arsenal. The long and short of it was, can 'beautiful football' be just that when you don't win any trophies. I immediately thought of 2 teams known for years as teams that played 'beautiful football', Holland in the 70s and the Brazil side of the early 80s. Both didn't win a thing. Do you HAVE to win trophies for your football to be considered good to watch, or 'beautiful'? Or can it be appreciated for what it is without the need for silverware?