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Policing costs

Discussion in 'Championship' started by ITFC Jez, Jan 4, 2019.

  1. ITFC Jez

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    Just seen an article on the BBC website where South Yorkshire Police are requesting all Sheffield derbies are midweek to assist with costs and resources etc.

    It cites at the last match, it cost them £203,000, of which the home side were only billed £41,000.

    I think most police forces are probably understaffed and underfunded. So should clubs be more responsible for costs incurred at games? But then there are other events (non sporting) that perhaps need policing, who meets these costs?

    Thoughts?
     
  2. Stan_Drews

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    I take it that the cost is down to officers wages? I honestly can never believe the amount of OB at some of our games and that’s with the presence of two lots of stewards.

    The police have to attend certain games they are after all a public service. They should suck it up and stfu.

    I’ll does however raise an interesting question. Could the OB ever decline to police a game on the grounds of cost?
     
  3. Thijssen

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    It’s their job to police public events, no. What they need is funding to do it though. At the top level there’s loads of money swilling about and so clubs can pay more, but not further down the ladder.

    No doubt they do sometimes go a bit over the top however, they were out in force for Millwall on Tuesday as usual.
     
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    Didn’t we get a refund for our policing costs?
    Pretty sure there was a big debate with the police about what they can and can’t bill for
     
  5. ITFC Jez

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    I think that boiled down to (geographically) where the charges being billed for. The club argued an area they were being billed for was the responsibility of Suffolk Police, not the club.

    The club won the court case and the police had to pay back a chunk of money going back several years or more that the club had previously paid, I believe.
     
  6. Super_horns

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    This has been a long running debate - guess they want to share the costs of covering events around the ground but what goes on in the town/city centre and at stations is for them to control.
     
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    Wouldn't mind but both Sheffield clubs only get just over 2k fans at each others ground, to say the policing is ott is an understatement, then they just stand there whilst letting rival fans throw bottles and flares at each other. Syp for you.

    Officers from Durham, Lancashire, West Yorkshire, West Midlands and many othere forces were also drafted in for the last Derby at Hillsborough, can't see it being easier to Police for a night match.
     
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    We had a midweek one a few years back and basically people got pissed up during the day and staying trouble in the town centre, since then we've been back to 11.30am on a Sunday and I can see why.

    Sadly a few too many people can't handle their drink and just want to cause trouble, spoils it for everyone else.
     
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    On the contrary WMP have refused to host the Wolves/Albion games midweek after a game went right off at The Hawthornes in 2001 and Villa Blues is Sunday midday.

    I don't understand how it's cheaper in midweek.

    The trouble is football public order policing is still predicated on the Hillsborough lie. It needs reforming to reconcile the football experience of today with the current resources of the police.
     
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    Fackin time of day this is to get up for football. The OB bring a lot of these costs on theirselves IMO. All our derbies are on a Sunday, double time? Arrests at these games are minimal which the OB claim is down to their heavy presence. Is it? They bring in officers from other forces, Wales being the furthest. That’s extra cost.

    Then of course further activities go on post match. Remember the happy clappers at one of our derbies? Every time a villa player took a set piece/throw in/corner they were bombarded with paper clappers. It was hysterically funny but the OB, who didn’t nick anyone for it on the day, then went on to publish almost 100 pictures in the local press of ‘offenders’ they were pursuing. What a costly exercise trawling through all that CCTV.

    At times they are everywhere in Brum. At so called risk games they seem to be outside every pub, stopping people in the street asking them questions. They could police these games with half the men.

    I have zero sympathy for any football related issues that the old bill may have. Those of us of a certain age were treated like shit week in week out by these people and of course they were happy to cover up Hillsborough for all those years. As recently as 3 years ago outside QPR I saw a copper in full view of his colleagues and senior officers punch a Blues fan full in the face just because he was asking why we couldn’t walk down the street to the turnstiles. That sparked a full on brawl with the OB in the street. Strangely enough no further enquiries were made over that incident.
     
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    The original reason (allegedly) that the Sheffield derby was recently held on a Friday night was that SYP claimed it was easier to police the match and associated idiots in town from late afternoon through until the early hours (Friday). This is rather than having to deploy officers from 8am as soon as Wetherspoons opens on a Sunday through until the early hours. Last time it was on a Sunday lunchtime there was grief in town later in the evening IIRC?
     
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    It was the same at the Lane, t'other week. Police vans from Durham etc. As you say only 2k away fans at either fixture. Ridiculous though that supporters behaviour has deteriorated since the 1960s to the point that matches require a military type operation to prevent disorder and trouble. What has gone wrong ? One for the Sociologists and Psychologists I believe.

    When I started going to games both sets of fans went in whichever part of the ground they wished. My first derby in 1966 was a fantastic atmosphere, highly charged, but not violent.

    The way football culture has become institutionalized and ritualised to the point where mobs of thugs act in prescribed and predictable ways to greet opposition fans. The level of intimidation is ridiculous
     
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    True. That Sunday problem wasn't due to trouble between two sets of fans, more United fans taking to London rd to celebrate the win and subsequent problems with traffic. Not sure why the police didn't just shift the fans
     
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    Reminds me of Oxford away last year when one steward had it in for me as apparently I was “too drunk” (I wasn’t, which everyone knew) so 3 (THREE) coppers escorted me out, took a picture of me outside and walked me to a nearby pub. Absolutely pointless, because I have legs. It was half time and freezing, was hardly going to linger around the away end was I? They just needed to look busy.

    Oxford V Donny hardly screams of trouble, yet they felt it necessary to have far too much presence. Police force’s are just on the take at football. They’re f*cking useless.
     

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