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Reading to lose points ?

Discussion in 'Championship' started by Super_horns, Sep 21, 2021.

  1. Super_horns

    Super_horns WATFORD Till I Die
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    Just one more club needed to get a point deduction and we'll be out of the relegation zone ;)
     
  3. AFCB-Nutter

    AFCB-Nutter Marauding Chezzer!

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    I know there's been talk of embargoes on and off but points deduction seems a big step and from left field a bit? When compared to the more high profile, complicated long-running Derby situation certainly.
     
  4. DerbyFanMatt

    DerbyFanMatt Persistant underdogs!

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    Haven’t they failed FFP and therefore that’s why they’ll get a points deduction?
     
  5. Papa Francesco

    Papa Francesco Registered User

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    Yes, same reason as you (before the administration).
     
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  6. NotsoPosh

    NotsoPosh Small Fry against The Big Fish

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    Just one more to go then & a step closer to a better chance of more than a season beckons !

    Roll up , Roll up , there's bound to be 1 more lot of dodgy f*ckers about in this league , £ is on Forest or Stoke !!!
     
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  7. Wycombe Royal

    Wycombe Royal Waskly Wabbit

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    We haven't just failed FFP, we have absolutely smashed it. Points deduction would be deserved.
     
  8. Madejski

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    In part we 'smashed it' due to EFL being lax on the rules in the past. We may be punished now, but this is the actions of 2-5 years ago. If the EFL had come down harder on FFP when it was first introduced then you wouldn't have the recent cases. I think Derby and Reading are only the start of several Championship clubs' points deductions over the next couple of seasons. We had big losses in 2019/20 but several clubs had much higher losses.

    We have been under some kind of transfer embargo for 4 transfer windows though, as we have been making an effort to cut costs and bring back in line. For example last year we signed 1 player (on a free from League One) and released/sold 12 first team players. It's not like this punishment will be the wake up action, we started to try and fix the situation a long time ago, but with the long/expensive contracts needing to come to an end and the massive hit from Covid it has made it look worse and take longer to resolve.

    Not going to argue about us getting some kind of penalty, although if we get the same points deduction (FFP related) as Derby then surely we will have to appeal. We broke FFP, but have been clear and worked with the EFL regarding it, whereas Derby broke FFP and then looks like they tried to cheat and cover it up. Two different situations shouldn't be deserving of the same punishment.
     
  9. RedDogChris

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    Where do you get that from? Apart from this summer we've sold someone at a big price every year. We are more than cutting our cloth accordingly and have only failed FFP and embargoed under our previous owner.



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  10. Cotterill:49

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    From what I gather it'll be 9 points for Reading, and 21 for Derby.
     
  11. Luke_1884

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    Depends how much you've failed FFP by. It's potentially the same points deduction but two completely separate circumstances.

    Sounds like we have failed 2017/18 by 4 million pounds, equalling a 4 point deduction. EFL would like a further 8 (3 suspended) for filing of late accounts on multiple years. The "cheating" that was signed off by an EFL accountant and appealed and overturned by a board of EFL lawyers has been dealt with, unless the EFL appeal the independent panel findings and punishment of £100k fine.

    I believe the EFL have no say in the points deduction concerning FFP as it is stated on a dedicated scale. 9 points would equate to a loss of over 12.5 million pounds.
     
  12. Madejski

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    Derby's 21 points deduction is 12 for entering administration, 9 for FFP

    Sheffield Wednesday ended up with 6 points for failing FFP, so would hope that we would end up with the same. Article only states a 'maximum' of 9 points, so could be that 3 are suspended.

    I don't think it'll happen to this extent, but there was a Reading FC podcast a few months ago with Keirin Maguire (Price of Football on Twitter, great source of info on Football Finance), and he reckoned that there were 8 or 9 clubs in the Championship at risk of failing FFP and getting points deductions in the short term.

    Going to be a fun Race to League One thread this season!
     
  13. DerbyFanMatt

    DerbyFanMatt Persistant underdogs!

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    Nice to have you back on here Luke !
     
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    No-One Likes Us We don't care

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    We'll be a good outside bet for the play-offs at this rate.
     
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    The way this league is going, so might we
     
  16. Luke_1884

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    Starting lurking a few months back when the misery really started piling on, something about being in a position like this that makes you as interested as ever before. So many bad takes on this forum (not so much this thread) that returning to posting was a matter of when not if.
     
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    Did he mention what teams?


    From QPRs point of view, when we got re promoted, we had so many players on huge, stupid contracts (Barton etc) that we couldn't shift. When we got relegated again, we had a massive clear out and we are only just now baring the fruits of a long slog of freebies, low wages and a young team.

    Our board were getting slated at the time but they were absolutely right with how they handled it and fair play to them. The problem our fans had was teams around our size in stature were buying big and people couldn't understand why we weren't, and we were always near the bottom of the table. It looks like we were 'lucky' to be slightly ahead of the curve with those teams that we couldn't match (spending and wages wise) are now trying to unravel the gamble that didn't pay off.
     
  18. Super_horns

    Super_horns WATFORD Till I Die
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    Thing is fans always want ambition to be shown and new players coming signed to boost the team so clubs can go too far and put themselves into trouble if things don’t work out.
     
  19. SpongeParr

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    Communication for that, is key though. Most QPR fans accepted what was going on, as Lee Hoos does a lot of fan engagement to explain questions and talks in great detail as to why/what is going on and talks about signings that were missed out on.

    Keeps the fans in the loop. If he said nothing, and we just weren't spending then I think there would have been uproar.
     
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