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The curious case of Russia

Discussion in 'World Cup 2018 Forum' started by Papa Francesco, Jun 21, 2018.

  1. Papa Francesco

    Papa Francesco Registered User

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    Theres been murmurings of accusations of doping against Russia due to their phenomenal upturn in form after a very poor last few years. Interestingly, in their two game so far they’ve covered significantly more ground than any other team in the tournament, made even more odd by the fact they were completely dominant in both games (usually resulting in less ground covered)

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  2. Never Alone

    Never Alone A Dull but Constant Drone

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    Interesting. I do pity the dope testers out there that’s for sure.
     
  3. Kirby

    Kirby We count the votes

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    I joked about this the other day.

    Wouldn't actually be surprised if it turns out being true :laugh:
     
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  4. Realist6

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    I think a lot of top level athletes are likely on something illegal these days. There’s so much money in sports that you’d be naive to think these athletes aren’t trying to get the absolute most out of themselves. Add to that most testing is very easy to get around
     
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    Dope testing? You must be joking. Russia and FIFA are in this together. Russia gets to project an image of respectability and FIFA make a ton of cash. From the destruction of evidence from the corrupt bidding process to the doping programme, neither will allow the other to be shown as less than pillars of he international community. Both have too much to lose.
     
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  6. Papa Francesco

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    They’ve played two garbage teams and are playing in their own climate
     
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    Super_horns WATFORD Till I Die
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    Let's see if they hammer Uruguay and one of Spain or Portugal then maybe ask questions ?
     
  10. Papa Francesco

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    A couple of points:

    Playing a garbage team should mean less running is necessary, Russia managed significantly more than teams like Mexico who were chasing and harrying one of the best teams in the world.

    Their climate isn’t significantly different to the other European teams who they’ve got over 10km per game more distance covered than.

    I’d be interested to see if other host nations usually have significantly higher distances covered than other teams, may look it up over the weekend if I get bored.
     
  11. Thijssen

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    Not really a case of asking questions mate, the doping programme is pretty well documented. The chances of evidence coming to light at this tournament however are probably slim.
     
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    Ahh of course. No football hooliganism, no racist chanting, fans peacefully interacting with one another, Russia playing well & the World Cup just being a massive success in general. Of course the same fear mongering western media couldn't stand by and just give Russia credit when none of their pre tournament slander came to fruition.

    Let's just be clear on the whole Russians=dopers thing. The United States are the biggest drug cheats in sports and that is a documented fact, Russia's last two Olympic bans were farcical lacking logic, evidence and were clearly politically motivated.
     
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    No. It really wasn't.
     
  14. Papa Francesco

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    Explain how the bans were lacking logic and evidence
     
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    Honestly, you believe what you want to believe. Although in that case, I’ve got this great line in magic beans you may be interested in?
     
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    There is obviously no doping in football, and there is obviously no corruption in FIFA, how very dare you suggest otherwise :whistle
     
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    If anything, my respect for Russia has grew significantly.

    It is impressive how they’ve managed to curb all the trouble there, especially after Euros. They deserve some credit for that.
     
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    They're reinforcing the whole "In Soviet Russia, we-" memes again, which is great
     
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    You have to look at Russia baring in mind that they've been proven in the past to have had state sponsored doping programmes. Morally, the state has shown us that it absolutely would be doping if they could get away with it and given that it's on home soil I believe that if they were to be doping, they'd get away with it.

    Something that I found interesting in the build up to the tournament was Garry O'Connor's admission that when playing for Lokomotiv Moscow, the team used blood doping to improve their fitness. Blood doping is hard to detect, and gives an improved level of fitness due to an increased number of red blood cells in the blood and I wouldn't be surprised if it was very commonly used in Russian football.
     
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    To be fair I think there’s probably more doping in football worldwide than has ever been uncovered. When you look at the dramatic increases in intensity, physicality and fitness in recent years, coupled with the enormous amounts of cash involved and testing regimes which are apparently far less rigorous than in, for example, athletics and cycling, it would be naive to think that football is somehow exempt.
     
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