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The Fall and Rise of Everton

Discussion in 'Premier League' started by TheWizard, Feb 23, 2021.

  1. TheWizard

    TheWizard Registered User

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    They should be easy games for Arsenal then .... yeah?.
     
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    Oh. That time of year again is it?
     
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    Benitez is a cup manager, so I wouldn't rule ot some silverware. City taking every game so seriously just makes it very difficult for teams to get a cup at the moment.
     
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    How dare they.
     
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    Pagnell MISERABLE C**T

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    City's dominance in the cups shows more than anything else the money they're prepared to spend getting their squad to the equivalent of two top 4 teams. Where other clubs/managers have to rotate and pick and choose which games and competitions are important, City can play a lineup in every game that would likely finish top 4. Guardiola's spend of £950m since 2016 and the club's overall spend of £1.7b since their questionable oily windfall made an appearance in 2008 is an indication of why they're able to do this.

    And on a side note, it makes it all the more amusing they're still to win the Champions League.
     
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    Other top 4 teams have the squads to go for all 4 trophies.
     
  7. MrLeeLemon

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    Yeah, but no... But yeah. But no. But...
     
  8. The Doc

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    True hasn't won a cup for over 7 years..
     
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    He's won a league title in that time.

    All seriousness, I find the cup manager stuff a bit hard to swallow. Like would you call Wenger a cup manager because the second half of his career at Arsenal he only had success in the FA Cup.
     
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    So not a cup manager then?
     
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    Cup manager is a silly phrase imo. Check my edit
     
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    Think he will do well at Everton because he seems to thrive under situations were he puts himself up against it, he has done it pretty much everywhere he has been, but he hasn't been a top manager for years lets be honest.
     
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    Yeah he isn't a top tier manager anymore, just as Mourinho isn't now... They were both the hot property in 2004 for this league but times change.

    Managing Everton or Roma is nothing to be scoffed at and if you achieve any tangible success at either you'll go down in history at both.
     
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    Agreed, but far less so than City. Then you have Klopp who annoyingly doesn't give a f**k about either of the domestics and treats them with contempt.
     
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    It might be hard to swallow, but his best achievements post Valencia have been in the cups.
     
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    Is cup manager just a roundabout way of saying a managers who wins things? . . :whistle
     
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    :laugh: only when they do win them chief,....;)
     
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    Here's hoping we won't be calling Rafa a cup manager this season then. . .:cool:
     
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    Wins cups, or at least gets far in them, but wont necessarily do anything in the league.
     
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    Why would that be hard to swallow? Lol.

    I just find the phrase a tad bit silly, take the list of clubs he has managed and tell me when each had last won a league title before his arrival. Chelsea is the only outlier and he was only given half a season... Inter and Real sacked him far too soon for any judgements to be made at all.

    I gave the Wenger example. I am sure more exist, that just show it is a strange phrase that somehow finds a way of insulting a manager for winning trophies? Maybe you'd place Houllier as a "cup manager" given his greatest successes came winning a bunch of trophies in a short span of time at Liverpool... but then his more recent success came winning two league titles with Lyon.
     

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