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The Trump Administration

Discussion in 'Current Affairs' started by Marty_LFC, Jan 12, 2017.

  1. Adam

    Adam Are you cereal?

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    :laugh:

    Remember though it's the vocal minority of crazies on the far-left you need to worry about. All those Twitter users bleating about race and gender, they have all the power.
     
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    Tshabs No odds, no points

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    The crackpots on the left are annoying and unproductive, but they don't want to actively physically harm people. The crackpots on the right meanwhile gleefully advocate harming other humans. That this is a distinction that folks cannot make is why we're in this position in the first place.

    Seriously though, what the f*ck did they learn at school in history classes? I mean, even if you absolutely hated history, you'd know that the whole reason behind the founding of the US was to be a democracy in a time of monarchies. I mean, surely you'd remember that if only to get a passing grade.
     
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  3. Adam

    Adam Are you cereal?

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    I think there is a segment of the most vocal leftists in the US who do use violence and do want to physically harm other people. However, I think it's a minority of a minority, they're very, very loud, they cause a lot of trouble and have a ton of visibility. But I don't feel that in the end the antifa thugs are anything more than a small group of agitators.

    I disagree with practically everything they do and believe, however they don't have power in government, they don't run the corridors of power, they're causing a ton of trouble in colleges, but these actual crazies in the GOP et al can push for wars and gigantic, seismic cuts in services that will strip 10s of millions of their health coverage. That truly matters.
     
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    TLC There Can Be Only One
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    The tango idiot with the verbal diarrhea that spits out sound bites like a 15 year old boy bragging the size of his cock, and that his big sister who's a gymnast will kick the bullies arses if they're mean to him

    And the oject of his posturing ......

    The moronic childish, socially inaequate little man who has been brainwashed from birth that he's an omnipotent being who is a petulant vicious little twat.

    It's relly quite disturbing that the world is holding it's breath and actually contemplating that there could be a military outcome to a war of words between 2 of the most laughable political figures in history.

    That 2 people so incredibly stupid should be allowed to have any more responsibility for wiping their own arses and punching themselves in the face is frightening.

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    Just saying .....
     

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    Tshabs No odds, no points

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    Has the Antifa ever deliberately plowed down folks who they disagreed with?

    For context - This was during almost night and day of white supremacist and counter protests. According to AP, the car plowed into folks who were protesting the white supremacists. A State of Emergency has now been declared in Charlottesville, VA.

    To anyone who leans right, this is not a line that should have been crossed.
     
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  6. Faustus

    Faustus Moderate Extremist.

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    Antifa have never gone this far before, but individuals among them keep making threats of 'guerilla campaigns' and threatening acts of terrorism. Now it's been put out there and made clear that those on our side are wiling to go out there and do it's clear for them if they want to respond and carry on escalating the far-right can and will dig in and be willing to as far as a tit-for-tat campaign of terrorism or even a limited civil conflict. This wasn't a lone wolf it was co-ordinated between at least two attackers with one intentionally directing the counter-protest into that narrow street and the main assailant in the car waiting for them to arrive at the opposite end of the street. If they respond with reprisals, more reprisals will happen against them just like how they've used street violence on the far-right on the street until they started doing it back and adopted identical methods.

    Now the far-right has escalated it to a new extreme it's in their court what they do next. Either start de-escalating both actions and rhetoric on both sides or this can and will go further. Hopefully this will mark a turning point where things can begin de-escalating and moving towards less extreme positions and partisanship and more sensible, moderate discourse.
     
  7. Thunder Gunner

    Thunder Gunner Lord Buckethead

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    Trump at least condemned it but somehow managed to struggle to "say it as it is", we'll see for the sake of consistency if this attack will be called what it is.
     
  8. Tshabs

    Tshabs No odds, no points

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    An islamic extremism who plows down folks who he dislikes in an attempt to impose his ideology is a fascist and terrorist and an alt-right member who plows down folks who he dislikes in an attempt to impose his ideology is a fascist and terrorist. If you and your ilk don't understand that, you're no better than the very same terrorists who we all despise.
     
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    Erm, yes they do. I've seen plenty of sites that show they wish to hurt people. I've seen a girl pepper sprayed before for simply wearing a trump hat. I've also seen a man have his head clobbered for being at a trump rally. An "anti fascist" smacked someone with a lock a while back, he was doxxed and arrested though

    Someone is going to have to de-escalate this because it's only going to get worse. The left attack with their counter protests. What has changed now is the right are attacking them back, just as violently. It doesn't make it right though.
     
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    Well, they could have power in the U.K. In 5 years time. Then we'll see what a left wing authoritarian government is like.
     
  11. Adam

    Adam Are you cereal?

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    I doubt it very much and I also don't think Corbyn's Labour is akin to say Nicholas Maduro's United Socialist Party. Socialism in Venezuela is not the same brand as what you'll find in Britain. Just as US conservatism isn't British conservatism.

    If Jeremy Corbyn were Prime Minister tomorrow, I don't think if we fast-forwarded a few years we'd be half-way to Cuba. I wouldn't want him as PM and I wouldn't like for us to go as far left as he would take us but I don't think some sort of left-wing authoritarian state is on the cards.

    I strongly doubt that it'd be any more authoritarian than our current government.
     
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    Neither do I, but I still think it will be an authoritarian government.

    Like trump supporters in the states, the far left Corbyn supporters here will be emboldened by a labour victory, and it will be used as a means of further pushing their authoritarian politically correct policies. We've already seen some of them push their agendas after grenfell. Our ****ing shadow chancellor said people should march on parliament and force out may
     
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    Just when Charlottesville thought things were bad enough, a police helicopter monitoring events there has crashed near the town killing at least two.
     
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    Tshabs No odds, no points

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    SJWs want to police your speech, alt-righters want to 'physically remove' groups of people. I think today's events at Cville are a good representation of the extremes of the right. Call them out as well because if you don't want to, you're either naive or willfully ignorant. Neither is a good look.
     
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    Faustus Moderate Extremist.

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    It's fascistic behaviour and an act of terrorism carried out by a terrorist, something I wouldn't deny as some have tried to play down or deny. I don't condone it, but I won't condemn it either. How else do you show these people targeted how far they've pushed some people? They have a stark and visceral reminder of what happens when you make someone feel so backed into a corner they'd effectively throw their life away just to lash out at them. Lets be honest, the driver if they somehow avoid the death penalty won't ever see freedom again over that act.

    It makes us no better than terrorists if we start acting like this, but it's a moment to either do the right thing and start de-escalating everything now some have shown how far things can go. Otherwise it's just the case of accepting morality has gone out the window and like how our side stooped to their level and even lower to fight them on the streets the same will apply to an even more extreme situation where terrorism against each other becomes the new norm to either defeat them or force everyone in the middle to act against both sides. There's no sitting on the fence in a cycle of tit-for-tat terrorism, it's either take a side or act to shut down both extremes and bring everyone back together again. It'll most likely force a change lead by moderates that's in everyone's best interests.
     
  16. Adam

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    If Jeremy Corbyn is a terrorist apologist for not specifically condemning acts of terrorism by certain groups then this comment surely make you a terrorist apologist too.

    If this were antifa you'd be condemning it all night long and that would be hypocrisy bordering on moral bankruptcy.
     
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    Tshabs No odds, no points

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    Look, another 'progressive' justifying terrorism when it suits them.
     
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    I've never called him one or joined in the attacks on him there, I quietly support some of the same groups he does or has in the past. I accept how things are with the far-left I just approach it as 'if you want to be nutjobs, we'll match and raise you on that' while hoping every further escalation forces the moderates in the centre out of inaction to do something about both extremes that's acceptable to all but the truly fanatical. I want to go back to the centre ground and be a moderate again but until they get rid of that extreme I'm wiling to keep on standing up to be counted with the opposite extreme.

    If it was antifa responsible for today I'd be calling for the same back against them.

    It's extreme pragmatism.
     
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    Bacchus, allow me to say you're on your own with the race to the bottom policy, you don't need to give up anything about your beliefs to have a line drawn that you feel that can't be crossed, I don't know this pair of scales obsession with the far-left that means you need to side with the far-right, your convictions are false, you don't have any if this is your position.
     
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  20. Adam

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    You don't get to be a moderate if you support terrorism which you still would the minute you decided it suited your agenda. It's not like changing clothes, you get to be a terrorist-supporting extremist on the Wednesday, but come the Saturday you're a nice, friendly cuddly moderate who wouldn't hurt a fly. The fact you don't seem to understand that is the strongest evidence of your lack of principle and moral fortitude.

    You aren't standing up at all. Unless you consider posting on a forum as taking action. The more you post like this the more it feels like you're still butthurt from your time at Uni. It's really pathetic.

    Fixed.

    Btw, if I ever respond to this clown again, please ban me.
     
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