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World War 3

Discussion in 'Current Affairs' started by johnnyT, Oct 9, 2019.

  1. johnnyT

    johnnyT Registered User

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    I think this could be the begining.Turkey have started advancing into Syria.

    Oh dear.
     
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    don't get your hopes up mate
     
  3. johnnyT

    johnnyT Registered User

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    I thought NATO countries had to act together?
     
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    Dez Likely to cause offence.

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    If they were attacked by Russia, then yes. Not for some Kurds though.
     
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    No-ones going to start WWIII over the Kurds. If anything Russia is probably involved to the extent of giving Turkey their blessing to go ahead as it benefits their side as much as it does Turkey. Invading puts the Kurds in a lose-lose situation where eventually it's going to come down to choosing either to submit to the Turks which is unthinkable or surrender and give territory back to the Syrian government in exchange for protection from Turkey. The surprise here is how easily the US has just given up having any involvement, perhaps the only wider question to ask is what this means for Turkey's position in NATO given that I think nearly every other member is going to object to Turkey waging a war of aggression like this.
     
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    I think nuclear weapons not only threat a huge destructive war but also protect international peace. Always wars break out in specific territories. But modern countries almost always prefer economic wars than World War because of nuclear weapons. Yet, we can hardly sure what will happen even next year though these things.
     
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    NATO is a defensive pact.
     
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    I've not followed this too closely but am I right in thinking that America withdrew troops from the area and then Turkey went in within a matter of days?
     
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    They were given the go-ahead by Lord-Emperor Trump.
     
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    Does seem very strange to me
     
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    He dressed it up as part of his 'commitment' to bring US troops home. He knew full well Turkey would be over the boarder and doing this within hours. Basically opened the door, waved them in and offered them a cup of tea and a biscuit.
     
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    Yeah that's basically how I read the situation. It's a bit like the playground bully getting his smaller mates to do his dirty work so there is no comeback on him
     
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    From the minute the news broke about removing the US troops the radio (5 live I think) were saying they expected the Turkish offensive to begin within hours and sure enough it did.

    The Kurdish alignment with the Turkish PKK is the reason behind it. Turkey has it's own political challenges and the Kurds are viewed as not just supporting but assisting the PKK. Clearing the border area as a way of 'keeping them apart' is the reason Turkey are using for their actions.
     
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    Them Kurds need backing up imo.
     
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    Unless things develop any further this is beginning to turn out as I was expecting and mentioned earlier in the thread, it almost smacks of coordination between Russia, the Syrian government and Turkey away from the rhetoric condemning it. The Kurdish occupied areas of northern Syria getting the same kind of treatment Poland did in WWII after the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. Turkish forces launching an aggressive invasion on trumped up national security claims from the north while Syrian government and also Russian forces are now streaming into the region from the south and taking over control of vast areas of now formerly Kurdish-held territory including Manbij and former IS capital, Raqqa. Apart from a futile attempt at resisting, the SDF and other Kurdish forces appeared to have collapsed already, with little ability to stop either side advancing.

    The only difference and most noticeable thing so far is just how humiliating this looks for the US. Not even 'withdrawing' but just downright abandoning everything and fleeing for the Iraqi border to avoid contact with both Turkish and Syrian/Russian forces advancing into the region. Were it not for other distractions in the news right now, this would be one of the most spectacular humiliations and optics disasters the US has suffered in years, if not decades. It's turning into a gift for Russian propagandists to pose with and film around freshly abandoned US bases mocking their shambolic flight and in turn geopolitical capitulation in the region. You can almost see the parallels with the Soviet Union's chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan here.
     
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    I sense a cleansing.
     
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    Hopefully, Turkey won't be that daft.

    Saying that Erdogan has basically provided ISIS with the platform to exist again, so I'd put nothing past him.
     
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    Wouldn't surprise me, the Turks seem to love a good one every century or so. After what they did to the Armenians, the Kurds would just be water off a duck's back.
     

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