Divided Nations

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  1. Hashtag55

    Hashtag55 Aka Andy-gers1
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    Why are you voting me given the order of that list?

    Wonder if there was something in their Mason chat that gave Zydus that impression.

    Yes it was Guyett, but this hasn't been revisited.
     
  2. Papa Francesco

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    My comment would be that Zydus and my own role PM's appear to be almost word for word identical to the role PM's Bleeds gave to masons in the last game and that it likely came from there.
     
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    For the record:
     
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    Lets break things down:

    The roleclaims

    Guyett: 2-Shot Flight Traffic Analyst (2-Shot Motion Detector)
    Burg: 1-Shot Vigilante
    Papa: Mason
    StillHurts: Understudy (UBU)
    Hashtag: JOAT (Tracker, Watcher, Roleblock)

    The actions

    N0

    Papa is in a Mason chat with Zydus, there is day chat

    N1

    Mr Sheen targets Jason: Sheen is told Jason is town
    Jason targets Sme: Jason is told Sme has no gun
    Lugna targets Burg: Burg is told that Lugna is town
    Guyett targets Jason: No Result (This means that I was blocked!)
    Hashtag targets SH with Tracker: Hashtag told that SH did not move
    Sme targets ???: This probably stops the scum kill

    N2

    Guyett targets RD: Told that RD DID NOT MOVE on N2
    Hashtag targets Sheen with Watcher: Hashtag told that Sheen was visited by RD
    Sme targets ???: Did not stop Sheen's death
    StillHurts receives Mr Sheen's power (or lack there of) and information from his N1 investigation.

    D3

    Burg shoots RedDevil

    Meaning?


    There is a Roleblock on me on Night 1 that is unaccounted for.
    Is it possible that Burg is a Roleblocker 1-Shot Vigilante?
    or that Papa is a Roleblocker Mason?

    I do not think so, this doesn't make sense given the flips so far.

    To me it only makes sense that Stillhurts is a Roleblocker, or Hashtag is a roleblocker.

    Hashtag has claimed to have Roleblock in one of his three JOAT powers.
    Given that the Roleblock occurred on Night 1, and Hashtag supposedly did not see Stillhurts move, it makes it unlikely that Stillhurts is the Roleblocker. Occam's Razor would suggest that Hashtag did the Roleblocking N1.
     
  5. Burg

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    This is a fair point
     
  6. Papa Francesco

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    Andy flip flopping between anyone getting even a little bit of pressure at the time isn't a great look.
     
  7. StillHurts31

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    I'm not voting you right now but are you shocked that as no points of view are shared reads can change?

    @Burg I'm still of the opinion we lynch between Guyett and Andy, one must be lying or it's a bastard mechanic but to be honest we haven't really seen much by way of bastard mechanics so I'm inclined to believe that's just a copy and paste job from prior game information. Guyett has explained his position better than Andy, Andy has claimed he has a RB and claimed he RB'd a claimed miller which makes little to no sense.
     
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    Lets look at the start of Day 3.... Mr Sheen is killed.

    Lugna makes this rambling post and Hashtag quotes it responding to the bolded part down the bottom.



    This is interesting as we are 13 hours into Day 3, and Hashtag chooses this to focus on instead of questioning why RedDevil visited the recently deceased Mr Sheen?

    :hmmm
     
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    I did see this. I also thought that he might be trying to see if RD claimed anything himself
     
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    Did we ever establish if scum have day chat?
     
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    Neither scum role pm's mention chat at all
     
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    Someone had asked me that, think it was Sme and provided him with an answer..
     
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    @David can we ask if scum have day chat?
     
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    Really? where?
     
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    If scum don’t have day chat, how does Andy pull off that bus?

    Surely it would make sense for him to be discussing it throughout the 13 hour period? If there’s not day chat I have huge doubts as to the validity of him pulling that lych off
     
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    @Guyett
     
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    Vote Hashtag

    Reading back, the information about SH not moving only came out when the heat came back on Andy after Guyett's result on RD. It's understandable that a no movement result wasn't the first thing that came from Andy's claimed powers as it's not that useful but the fact it took that long to come out and only when Andy came under a bit of questioning is suspicious imo. Also the fact that it took until D3 which would've given plenty of time for RD to communicate to Andy that SH didn't have a role capable of moving.
     
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    See it could be a bus, or we could be dealing with Hashtag and one other in an additional two person scum team... which is why I fear we might be in LYLO.
     
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    Just FYI, this was on D2

     
  20. Papa Francesco

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    Ah missed that in my read back. I guess that's back to relying on scum day chat then.
     

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