If it’s ridiculous reach season, Harry Kane should have been sent off You can’t make mistakes at this level and we made about four in the run up to Bayern’s first goal And then Kiwior let’s Sane spin too easily and he causes panic and chaos. I thought he was great tonight and was in shock when Tuchel took him off. Conan’s not a bad replacement though! Super impressed with Bayern for the first half an hour of the second half. They mid blocked, they gave us nothing and played with professionalism and humility. My ill-informed view of this Bayern side was of a side that didn’t like defending. They shut us down for large periods of the game. But thankfully, some magic from Jesus send us to Munich on a level footing. Going to be tough though. At the time I was apoplectic with the ref to not give the penalty but having seen it, I understand why he didn’t. And I’m glad. I hate those ones being given.
Just seen the highlights and Christ that is poor from Saka trying to buy that penalty. Chance to win the game with the last kick and you try to buy a pen??
I'll take that away draw at the Emirates. Overall it wasn't good football by Bayern, but they did the necessary, managed to get their act together a few times and converted two of the few chances they created. As for this Saka penalty discussion, there's no debate whatsoever. Not only Saka tried to get a penalty by deliberately hooking his own leg against our player, Havertz did exactly the same thing in our box a few minutes earlier. Silly cheats! Any referees allegedly giving penalties like that at the highest level should be sacked, as they fail to consider blatant deliberate intent of contact by players who pretend to fall. It's acceptable to throw yourself on the floor if it's the only language referees understand that "playing advantage" is not the intent of the fouled team (if there actually is a foul). However, trying to frame the opponent as the foul committing side, solely with acting, that should be obvious cheating to any decent referee. After looking at that Arsenal handball in the box after the goal kick, we're the ones who were robbed of a penalty!
Ridiculous reach? The ref blows the whistle, Raya takes the kick, Gabriel picks it up. Unusual yes, but nothing ridiculous about it other than the fact it wasn't given as a pen. It's blatant. The refs whistle starts the game...
I think it’s utterly pathetic. For the last two seasons, we take our goal kicks with Gabriel. It’s very deliberate. What advantage was gained? Nothing. How often do the referees demand the ball not be moving for the restart of play? How often do players use a hand to kill the ball to restart play? It’s pathetic, bitch mentality behaviour to appeal for that. I’d be embarrassed of my club if we ever made a song and dance about something like that. Common sense please. The fact that he’s used his hand to kill the ball is evidently clear that he’s taking the goal kick
What?! It doesn't matter what advantage was gained, who usually takes your goal kicks or what you've done for two seasons. The ref blows the whistle, the player takes the set piece and your defender picks it up. It's a penalty, clear as day.
Raya actually stands with the ball at his feet waiting for the ref to whistle and as soon as he does, he passes it to Gabriel. He stands there for about 5 seconds with the ball stationary at his feet until the whistle goes. I don't understand how you can argue against it. [/QUOTE] Watch this again from 6 seconds to 11 seconds and tell me what Raya is waiting for if not for the ref to restart the game...
Dude, it’s a routine. A set piece. I watch them a lot more than you, every goal kick starts with Gabriel. Before or after a whistle. It’s happened loads of times this season. I’ve seen it. I seen the ref blow a whistle plenty of times and the ball then get given to Gabriel to restart play. That’s why I find it ridiculous because not a word has been said up to now. I find it pathetic that such an appeal is being made about it. Just comes across really whiny and bitch like. A contentious tackle, a handball that actually stops a shot or a cross, fair enough. This? Come on man. Get on with the game.
[/QUOTE] What is Raya waiting for from 6 seconds to 11 seconds whilst staring at the ref? He's waiting for the ref to restart the game and as soon as he does he takes the goal kick. If you're saying that's an intentional routine, it's an incredibly stupid one because a competent referee gives a penalty.
What is Raya waiting for from 6 seconds to 11 seconds? He's waiting for the ref to restart the game and as soon as he does he takes the goal kick. If you're saying that's an intentional routine, it's an incredibly stupid one because a competent referee gives a penalty.[/QUOTE] Or one with common sense realises it’s the other player starting the goal kick It’s been happening for the best part of two years and not one word has been said about it.
The ref holds his arms out afterwards as if to say "what the hell are you guys doing?" If your players are deliberately waiting for the ref to start the game, to then take the goal kick followed by the defender then regularly picking the ball up in their own box then your players and management team are absolute morons I very much doubt this exact situation happens all the time though as you suggest so would be happy to see some examples of this happening after the ref has restarted the game.
The ref has obviously taken a "wtf guys, shake my head" view of this and let it go. Pretty pragmatic I guess. By the laws of the game however, he'd blown to restart play. Raya played the ball. Gabriel handled it. It's a penalty. Match officials (especially those in European competitions) can't be expected to know "Gabriel always takes the goal kicks", and even if they did shouldn't be expected to wait until he has the ball before they restart play. Once the ball is in play, it's in play and the laws of the game apply. Nobody got hurt here so I understand why you think the calls against it are churlish, but what if Bayern had been pressing harder? The ball is in play, Bayern press, Gabriel handles it and the ref is like "my guys, Gabriel always takes the kicks innit".
Raya has the ball stationary at his feet for 5 seconds staring at the ref waiting for him to restart play. The ref whistles and waves the game on to continue. Then Raya, who was staring at him doing this, restarts play. It's pretty clear. It's a Gabriel mistake followed by a refereeing mistake. I can understand not wanting penalties given for such stupid things. But this is football at the top level and it's stupidity from Gabriel who could have no complaints if the penalty was correctly given. Why even take the risk if it is a (completely pointless) set piece routine as has been suggested?
There aren’t exactly clips of just goal kicks floating around You’ll just have to take my word for it. It happens a lot. But because Thomas Tuchel and Rio Ferdinand mention it, now it’s problem. Like I said, I think it’s pathetic. Churlish! Thank you for finding the word for me! I think if the Bayern players had been pressing, I’d be a lot more receptive to the appeals. They were 20 yards away. On their heels, waiting. No advantage was gained, Gabriel wasn’t trying to cheat. He’s just doing what he always does, kills the ball to take a goal kick. I appreciate the rules but come on man, we can’t be deciding football matches for shit like this. He’s literally just restarting the game.
