Wrong, that has been brought to the publics attention. They probably did it because it is almost certain that your allies in the press would not highlight it, just as they have refused to mention the violence in Holland where there were over 70 arrests when you played PSV. Again that tells us more about the delegate. What does that matter to RFC? He admitted it on SSN to Jim "Rangers" Whyte. That broom of yours is taking a pounding here
Rubbish. So what else have FARE done to highlight racism in football and will they be sending a delegate from their company to any of the upcoming Europa league games? 70 arrests - did you just pluck that number out of the sky? You will actually find that the majority of the arrests were PSV fans who actually attacked a bar that Rangers fans were in on the square. It was nowhere near 70 arrests though. Why you are bringing this up when it is completely off topic I have no idea? When a delegate is there at our game and doesn't report anything untoward then yes it does matter. UEFA might as well stop sending delegates to games then if it didn't matter. How do you work that out when I have twice asked for links to clubs getting fined for singing recently and still not one link has been posted?
Here's their website, have a look for yourself. It kinda dispels the paranoia currently flowing through the veins of Ibrox though. http://www.farenet.org/ There were at least 70 arrests and the reason I know is that it was mentioned by some obscure journalist on radio Scotland on Traynors paper talk show. Needless to say Traynor did not have an answer when asked why his paper did not run the story. Some would think that they are deliberately keeping this out the news as much as they can. Still, they are the mhejja though. As I said, Uefa have to ask questions of said delegate. If he thought there was nothing wrong, then he clearly does not know his job. Or, as I said, I still think it was a strange choice of delegate in the first place. I work that out because it does not matter a jot to RFC. They have a problem and rather than deal with it your whole "defence", from chairman to fan, is that folk have got it in for you and other boys are naughty as well. I've yet to see someone come out and condemn it without some lame excuse at the end of it.
It hardly dispels the so called paranoia when you post the link to their website which shows no evidence of them going after any other club. All the website shows from looking at it is either putting articles from other countries about steps towards combatting racism in the limelight or such things as various racism awareness activities that FARE have set up such as 5-a-side tournaments or t-shirts etc for EURO 2008. There is not one section where it shows they have set out against a club or put it to UEFA's attention about another club with regards to singing which is what I have asked you to put forward. FARE are an outside party who decided to bring this up 2 weeks after the game so again I will ask you. What other club gets scrutinised by outside parties? I really don't know where you are getting that idea from. McCoist and Smith have came out and publically criticised and pleaded with the section of fans that indulge in sectarian singing and have highlighted there is a problem. McCoist has even called for the police to arrest the fans who do it in the media today. So that kind of puts to bed the myth that Rangers are not accepting there is a problem. Also the various pleas from Bain and Rangers not to indulge in sectarian singing before any European home game and the various efforts they have made to combat it highlight that they know there is a problem. You'll also find that various Rangers fans and myself included have stated on here that certain songs need to be weeded out. The one thing we are highlighting with FARE is that there is definitely not a level playing field and far too many questions remain unanswered about their role in getting us fined/banned.
See that's the problem with you L67. You ignore posts by people on threads and then go off on a different tangent. I would highlight the Russian teams such as Spartak and Zenit who regularly chant racist songs, abuse black players on a regular basis and don't sign black players as being worse than us but FARE somehow seem to miss out on these type of clubs. Funny that.
They have a report of racist things that have happened in Poland and Ukraine which is not what I asked. I have asked what specific clubs have they went out for and reported to UEFA? I would also like to know what song(s) they deemed racist as well during the home game against PSV. In the same press statement, Smith called for the section of Rangers fans to stop singing the songs. The Lennon reference is irrelevant so I won't answer it. Rangers are dealing with it and have took various steps to stop the problem. Rangers as a club have also criticised the section of fans who have done it on more than one occassion recently which again is something you keep missing, intentionally or not I don't know.
There is no problem in asking that. You are saying other clubs don't get it as bad, i'm saying other clubs aren't as bad as you, simple. Yes there are other clubs with problems but do you know of any clubs that sing sectarian/racist songs in EVERY European game?. . . . . .PVM is doing fine by himself in highlighting the ridiculous stance Ragers and their fans are taking on this matter.
Like many others if you don't know what sectarian songs we're sung you're part of the problem. A large proportion of the Rangers support need educated on the topic.
To say Rangers fans sing racist and sectarian songs in every European game is nothing short of slander and a total lie into the bargain. You'll also see I highlighted two Russian teams who I consider to have worse problems than us and who FARE should be doing more against but apparently you missed that point.
The game that FARE are referring to is the home game where no banned songs (Billy Boys) were sang. Check the other thread where Skorn posted a list of the songs that were sang on the night of said game and you see TBB was not sang. Here's Smith's interview condeming the songs and pleading with the fans to stop. Nice of you to miss out 90% of the other things he said in the interview though: And Smith said: "I've sung songs. I've been on the terracing as a youngster, I've done that. "But I certainly wouldn't put myself in a position to do it now. That's what I would ask supporters to do. "They have to give up singing sectarian songs. "Considering the problems our club have, I would ask them to take that into account and stop singing the songs that are offensive. "The club is going to suffer quite drastic consequences if they don't stop." Gers' fans chants during the Europa League clash with PSV in Eindhoven last month are the latest to land their club in the dock. Smith added: "Thinking about it, when I was a Rangers supporter it was 50 years ago. "I started going in my early teens and when I sang the songs I had no realisation of what they meant - but I sang them. "That was regarded as part of the traditions but it didn't mean anything to me at the time and it doesn't mean anything to me now. "It's still an aspect a lot of supporters look upon as a traditional aspect of the club - but it's no longer acceptable therefore they shouldn't do it." This seems to be a myth amongst Celtic fans that Rangers have not done anything to solve the problem. Various messages online and before European matches pleading with fans not to sing this or that, the blue book list of songs issued at games that include all the acceptable songs to sing etc and believe or not a lot of fans have been banned from Ibrox. To bring up CCTV and us doing nothing is a bit rich when your own club are still trying to ban the fans of the GB who held up anti-poppy banners, lightergate and the fan who threw a mobile phone at Novo still not banned but that's a different topic I suppose.
How do you know? You didn't even know there was sectarian singing against PSV at home (you weren't the only one). I have heard TBB at some European games lately, I have heard 'Super Rangers' at EVERY European game i have watched in the last couple of years. So no lies here m8 but a better understanding of whats sectarian and whats not. It neves ceases to amaze me that the Rangers fans don't actually know (or don't want to know) what they sing is sectarian. Skorn even produced a songlist from the game and asked what it was that FARE had a problem with. On that song list was a sectarian song that was sung four times. The Rangers fans need to be educated. The RST openly admitted there was sectarian singing at the home game. It was heard loud and clear on TV yet some on here are saying they didn't hear it, quite strange that And i didn't miss your point, i know the likes of Zenit have problems but i asked you if you know of any clubs who sing sectarian songs in EVERY European game like Rangers DO. You haven't got back to me on that one.
Mainly because I have been to every European home game in the last 5-7 years and your accusations that there is sectarian singing in EVERY European game is a complete lie. Again, Rangers don't sing sectarian songs in EVERY game, a total lie. The problems I have highlighted with Zenit are not just small problems. These are clubs who are living in the dark ages and who openly give racist abuse to opposing players in just about every game they play but FARE's silence speaks volumes. Admittedly I don't know if they sing racist songs in EVERY game as that might be a bit over the top just like your accusations against us but I consider the Russian racist problem to be a much more serious matter that doesn't get half the attention that we do due to outside parties sticking their nose in. Perhaps you could possibly catch up on your Russian and watch all of Spartak or Zenit's games bearing in mind you only get to go to 2 European games a season these days so will have more time to watch out for any discrimatory chanting? Just a suggestion.
I have heard 'Super Rangers' at EVERY European game i've watched. Your hardly in a position to tell when you couldn't hear sectarian singing at thehome PSV game when it was clear as day. As i said, no lies here m8. Rangers sing sectarian songs at EVERY European game. . . . . .The very fact you couldn't hear it at home against PSV put's your opinion at a severe disadvantage.
Two questions: Have you been to every Rangers European game? Have you watched every Rangers European game?
Two answers: No i haven't been to any Rangers European games. I'd have thought that was obvious. I've watched nearly every European game in the last few years. I find it very strange that you never heard sectarian singing at the home PSV game. Is it because you simply couldn't hear what everybody else could or is it because (like others) you don't know whats sectarian and whats not?
Is that because you are obsessed with everything Rangers, or because Celtic havent played a lot of European football this last couple of years?
