Yes - good point. We'd be getting penalties a plenty each week in theory. Apparently the 3rd goal wouldn't be disallowed as it was scored after a re bound and not straight but then that just makes things even more complicated tbh. I guess they'll say in that match the ref was consistent... But also say the Everton Man U guy was right going by the law.
VAR can't be sure on all offsides... Saka offside; handball by Gabriel, Scamacca, Antonio and Rashford headline the VAR Review
In the case of the Gabriel handball although accidental he still stopped the forward momentum of the ball going back into the goal area. Same with the Dan Burn accidental handball which was given correctly as a penalty. Accidental to me means if it hits a player on another part of his body then goes onto hit his arm or hand, as long as they have not moved their arm to control the ball.
Scotland is set to welcome video assisted refereeing to the Premiership for the first time tonight when Hibs host St Johnstone in Edinburgh. I thought Scottish football and its fans had managed to stave off such unwanted technology ,unlucky lads ,I need not tell you how controversial its been over here ,it's like someone coming into your home and treading dog sh*t into your carpet and then laughing in your face when you get the Dettol out .
Probably just mean Rangers and Celtic get more decisions their way with the support and pressure that will be on the refs from them compared to 3-5k at Motherwell or St Mirren.
For West Ham’s first they will say by the letter of the law it’s right but should handball be the same all over the pitch as an offence ? Maybe handball should just be handball so save a the controversy and confusing ?
Urgh. Have we not learned that binary choices are in conflict with the nuances that go into what is a handball? We suffered through that when VAR was initially starting out. Handball was fine when it was defined as having to be deliberate, which handed refs the scope to use their judgement as they can't read minds. Fans and pundits were too thick to get that though, and cried us into this shambles we've had to suffer through.
Supporters haven't 'cried us into this shambles', I don't remember any clamour for VAR from anywhere but the pundits and TV companies. As you point out the original handball rule relied on the referee making a judgement call as to whether the foul was deliberate or not and of course we supporters too offered our opinions, that was the wedge they used to pry VAR into the game. They told us that with VAR there would be no more need for 'judgement calls' on handball or offside, but what's actually happened is that instead of decisions being made on the pitch by 3 officials another crew of officials are now sticking their oars in, but even so and with all the technology it still often comes down to judgement as both decisions did in tonight's game. Let's just scrap it and go back to the original system, there'll be mistakes every weekend but we have those anyway but we have to wait 5 minutes for the wrong decision these days. SCRAP VAR
I distinctly remember fans and pundits complaining that the deliberate law needs redefining as it's not clear. A bunch of thick football fans trying themselves up in a semantics argument and not recognising the benefits if it being written that way. Of course, nobody wanted VAR, but if fans can't grasp simple concepts and moan about being cheated instead if growing up, then, as you say, the authorities will use it as justification. The fans are part of the problem.
I think most fans just don't like the endless delays and not being able to celebrate goals properly. Pundits just keep agreeing/disagreeing with subjective decisions as they always have and will do. Players/managers probably thought it would be near enough perfection but with decisions going their way all the time..
I'd put an entirely different slant on that. Yes fans argued and disputed/moaned about the decisions made under the original handball law, but the same issues are still being disputed/moaned about now under the new law. That said, let's not confuse the use of VAR with the changes to the laws of the game, the two aren't connected.
Weren't we told that VAR was going to prevent clear and obvious errors or serious missed incidents? It seems now that many goals are being scrutinised - with everyone waiting about - for a whole build up play analysis incase a player had his elbow in an offside position. I'd say that it's being over used, which isn't helping the game. It's the unintentional handballs that are wide open to any big club bias that's showing VAR up as not exactly the perfect solution.
