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Group A - Italy, Turkey, Switzerland, Wales

Discussion in 'The Euros '21' started by StewieJT, Jun 10, 2021.

  1. Gloria Lestafan

    Gloria Lestafan I have a mandolin...

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    We've improved measurably a lot defensively since Soyuncu came in over Maguire despite no other real defensive changes, he's not just "done just as good a job" at all - he's noticeably and measurably improved it while playing really well himself.

    I saw a stat earlier on one of our forums where our goals conceded per game record with Maguire and our goals conded per game record in games which Soyuncu has missed when he's been out since Maguire left are both quite similar - but our goals conceded per game record when Soyunchu plays improves quite significantly compared to us when Soyuncu is out or when Maguire used to play in his position

    Soyuchu is absolute quality. One of the best defenders I've ever seen at Leicester. Not sure what you guys are expecting from him? He's missed half this season through injury and covid and we've conceded more and struggled when he's been out.

    Is this yet another example of "big 6" clubs telling other clubs what they're players are like based on watching him play 2 games where he's probably not even at full health and fitness, given its only a few weeks after he had what was by all accounts a bad bout of covid and struggled in our final 3 or 4 games when he came back from it.
     
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  2. JimJams

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    Nah they’re right, Soy is shit. Absolutely nobody should show any interest in him and he should extend his contract while he’s lucky to have the opportunity.
     
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  3. Gloria Lestafan

    Gloria Lestafan I have a mandolin...

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    Oh yeah, sorry... Agreed. :D
     
  4. The Doc

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    Or its a couple of fans opinion......:fail:
     
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  5. Kirby

    Kirby We count the votes

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    Hasn't been the same since his split with Princess Fiona.
     
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    For team photo fans.
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  7. Riverside

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    Italy looking good. Will be interesting to see if they can maintain their form during the knockout stages. Teams sometimes seem to build momentum in tournaments, peaking in latter stages.
     
  8. Gloria Lestafan

    Gloria Lestafan I have a mandolin...

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    Saying our defence only did "just as good" with Soyuncu over Maguire certaibly isn't opinion, its objectively and measurably wrong.
     
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  9. BleedsIsDead

    BleedsIsDead They Love You When You're Dead

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    Which is exactly what you did with Potter :whistle
     
  10. The Doc

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    I would say given its likely the poster doesn't have the in depth knowledge of your club that you do, and he is basing it on "what he has seen" it is the very definition of an opinion.

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    Yeah be honest not sure you should be talking about objectivity given the hyperbole and assumption in your last post chief:laugh:
     
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  12. Silver Red

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    Sorry guys still trying to get the hang of the "quoting" on here.
     
  13. Silver Red

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    Spot on and thanks for pointing out what I assumed should be obvious to some :thumb
     
  14. Gloria Lestafan

    Gloria Lestafan I have a mandolin...

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    Well the stats were

    PL Goals we have conceded per 90 when Maguire was on the pitch while at the club - 1.50
    PL Goals we have conceded per 90 when Soyuncu was not on the pitch while at the club - 1.48
    PL Goals we have conceded per 90 when Soyuncu was on the pitch while at the club - 1.15

    Our goals conceded when Maguire was in and when Soyuncu has been out for other players are similar, but are much lower when he comes in, which I think says a lot.

    I think he's quite noticeably improved our defence watching him every week, and the stats back that up as well.

    I didn't mean to get shitty or go on a rant, it's just that I've seen it elsewhere too that ManUtd fans seem to have a bit of an obsession with wanting to call Soyuncu overrated because it helps them big Maguire up or something and it just gets tiresome and comes across as a bit bitter. When Soyuncu has unquestionably been a better defender for us than Maguire was and has not just come in and had his reputation enhanced by the rest of our defence "doing just as good a job", he's clearly enhanced our defence himself.

    Maybe Maguire has gone on to improve since he left Leicester just like I think Jonny Evans is a better player now than when he was ManUtd, haven't seen ManUtd enough to comment on that. But Soyuncu in a Leicester shirt is a level above what Maguire was in a Leicester shirt.

    I don't know why you have to expect him to be one of the best of the best? He's been a quality player and a key part in a side who've finished 5th the last 2 seasons running and won the FA Cup and our defence is not as good whenever he's missing, don't really know what else I can add to that or why he has to be anything more.

    Have no idea what you think makes him "ridiculously" overrated.
     
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    Not really sure what all the fuss is about from what I have seen of him tbh.....which one is he again?
     
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    Where have you seen it chief?
     
  17. Gloria Lestafan

    Gloria Lestafan I have a mandolin...

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    The one who scored the winner against you only 4 or 5 weeks ago. Can't have that short a memory.

    I post on 3 or 4 football forums and the football section on a music forum and I've been seeing it there all season from ManUtd fans.
     
  18. The Doc

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    Nah sorry you will have to be more specific.


    Ah fair enough. This where you saw fans of of "big 6" clubs telling other clubs what they're players are like based on watching him play 2 games where he's probably not even at full health and fitness, given its only a few weeks after he had what was by all accounts a bad bout of covid and struggled in our final 3 or 4 games when he came back from it.?

    Before it became just United fans :laugh:
     
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    Italy haven't conceded for so many matches but I get the feeling they're due a tonking.
     
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    Step up Kieffer Moore.
     

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