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Group B - Belgium, Denmark, Finland, Russia

Discussion in 'The Euros '21' started by StewieJT, Jun 12, 2021.

  1. Gloria Lestafan

    Gloria Lestafan I have a mandolin...

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    Only losing by 1 and scoring means it's not actually that bad a result for Denmark. They very likely only need to beat Russia now to finish 2nd.

    Unless Finland get an unlikely point against Belgium (or lose 3-2 or something but can't see Finland scoring twice vs Belgium).
     
  2. Gloria Lestafan

    Gloria Lestafan I have a mandolin...

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    Agree about France.

    thought Portugal were pretty poor against Hungary though and probably the most underwhelming of the favourites. I'd back Belgium to beat Portugal right now.
     
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    Looked very good going forward in second half Belgium when the changes were made. At the back though they'll get hammered against a good attacking team
     
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    After everything he went through the thoughts he’s receiving are deserved but this artwork using the dirt on the back of a van is different class.

     
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  5. Super_horns

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    I presume if 3 of the teams are all level at 3 points it will come down to Goal difference as they have kind of beaten each other so the head to head is a bit complicated ?.



    Denmark beaten Russia

    Finland beat Denmark

    Russia beat Finland
     
  6. Kirby

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    Pretty sure it's goal difference first.
     
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    That is the 5th option.

    So really Denmark have to win by 2 clear goals to stand any chance as they lost to Finland who were beaten by Russia .

    From official site :

    Tiebreakers
    If two or more teams are equal on points on completion of the group matches, the following tie-breaking criteria are applied:[1]

    1. Higher number of points obtained in the matches played between the teams in question;
    2. Superior goal difference resulting from the matches played between the teams in question;
    3. Higher number of goals scored in the matches played between the teams in question;
    4. If, after having applied criteria 1 to 3, teams still have an equal ranking, criteria 1 to 3 are reapplied exclusively to the matches between the teams who are still level to determine their final rankings.[a] If this procedure does not lead to a decision, criteria 5 to 10 apply;
    5. Superior goal difference in all group matches;
    6. Higher number of goals scored in all group matches;
    7. Higher number of wins in all group matches;
      [*]If on the last round of the group stage, two teams are facing each other and each has the same number of points, as well as the same number of goals scored and conceded, and the score finishes level in their match, their ranking is determined by a penalty shoot-out. (This criterion is not used if more than two teams have the same number of points.);
      [*]Lower disciplinary points total in all group matches (1 point for a single yellow card, 3 points for a red card as a consequence of two yellow cards, 3 points for a direct red card, 4 points for a yellow card followed by a direct red card)
     
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  8. Kirby

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    Well I think we've established we both know f*ck all.

    Wonderful.
     
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    Basically Denmark have to win really and hope Finland don’t draw..

    Then worry about the consequences after wards !

    ;)

    From another site :

    Criteria if teams finish with equal points:
    1. Points in head to head (would be 3 points for all 3 countries in this case)
    2. Goal difference in head to head (would depend on tonight's result between Russia and Denmark)
    3. Goals scored in head to head (would also depend on tonight's result between Russia and Denmark)
    4. If some (but not all) teams are still equal after applying these criteria the above would be applied for the head to head between the teams that are still equal
    If above criteria have not separated teams (in this case only if Denmark win 1-0 against Russia) the below criteria will be used:
    5. Goal difference in all group matches (in case of a 1-0 win for Denmark would be enough with Finland at 0, Denmark -1 and Russia -3)
    6. Goals scored in all group matches
     
  10. Kirby

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    Clear as mud.

    COME ON DANMARK.

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  11. Gloria Lestafan

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    I read it on ESPN this morning.

    No Denmark don't need to win by 2 clear goals. Any Denmark win will very likely be enough unless Finland get a result at Belgium.

    A 2-1 win to Denmark for example means Denmark finish top of the Russia-Denmark-Finland head to head league as Russia and Denmark would both be ahead of Finland in the Head to Head on Goals Scored so it goes down to Denmark vs Russia head to head which Denmark have obviously just won.

    If Denmark win 1-0 then head to head is dead even on pts, Goal Difference and Goals Scored with all 3 teams winning 1 and losing 1 1-0 against each other so it then goes back to the normal league standings.

    Denmark would definitely beat Russia on Goal Difference if they beat them and beat any Finland defeat by more than 1 goal to Belgium too. Denmark would also win on Goal Scored if Finland lost 1-0.

    Finland would need to score twice and only lose by one (so lose 2-3 or 3-4) if Denmark only win 1-0.

    If Denmark win 1-0 and Finland lose 1-2 then they are dead level on both the Head to Head league and the regular league, so then it comes down to disciplinary record.

    Current disciplinary record Denmark are winning 3 yellow cards to 4, so Denmark would need 2 more yellow cards than Finland in their final game for Finland to qualify (if they're level on disciplinary then Denmark definitely goes through by having the better qualifying record).

    So a 1 goal Denmark win by 2-1 or 3-2 etc. win is definitely enough if Finland lose. A 1-0 win is a little more complicated but you'd still expect Denmark to qualify unless you can see Finland scoring twice vs Belgium or they lose 1-2 and we start counting yellow cards.
     
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    Do Wales play the 2nd or 3rd placed team from this group in the last 16
     
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    Belgium will want at least a point here to dodge Wales.
     
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    Great goal for the Danes
     
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    Break through for Denmark !

    Can they get a 2nd?
     
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    This is complicated as ****, head to head is the first decider instead of goal difference, but how does that work in a three way tie on points where each team has beat the next?

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    It then goes down to goal difference as head to head is even.

    We play Finland as it stands, a Belgium goal and it'll be Denmark.
     
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    Did Gabby Logan just say as it stands Russia will be 2nd?
     
  20. Gloria Lestafan

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    It's really not as complicated as it sounds.

    Just think of it as a league table between all 3 teams.

    As it stands everyone has won one game and lost one game 1-0 each so it looks like this:

    =1 Denmark P2 W1 D0 L1 F1 A1 GD0 PTS3
    =1 Finland P2 W1 D0 L1 F1 A1 GD0 PTS3
    =1 Russia P2 W1 D0 L1 F1 A1 GD0 PTS3

    So it just goes back to the regular table if they're joint on points as they're all level on the head to head table. If Denmark win 2-0 or 2-1 then they obviously end up better GD or more goals scored in the head to head league.

    Of course while Finland are drawing they've got more points anyway.
     

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