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Discussion in 'Manchester United' started by bosskeano, May 2, 2021.
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Gary Neville is pretending to be a communist in his unwanted opinions on it. He wants private property such as Old Trafford abolishing, and is on the side of the fans in storming the means of production. He is determined that Man Utd be ruined and taken down. Except he doesnt want that to happen ever at Salford FC which he owns with his millionaire mates! Hmmm.
Neville said the Glazers should be tried for their crimes in the Hague.
Did anyone watch the segment on this on MOTD2, it was brutal.
Yes, it took exactly the 'safe' BBC line I expected to be honest.
Excellent article from Dominic Booth in the MEN
Some pundits are pushing dangerous Glazer myth about Man United transfer spend:
It was telling that those who dismissed the scale and purpose of the Manchester United fan protest outside (and inside) Old Trafford on Sunday, were those without intimate knowledge of the club and its running.
On the Sky Sports live coverage, Graeme Souness risked becoming even more unpopular in Manchester than he already was; the same can be said for Alan Shearer, speaking on Match of the Day later on Sunday evening. The former Liverpool and Newcastle heroes were never going to truly understand the fervour and feeling that was on display at the Theatre of Dreams, even if they made valid (albeit secondary) points about the small sections of protesting that turned ugly.
Gary Neville and Roy Keane instead led the charge with comments that would have made the protesters proud. Neville called for ongoing opposition to the Glazer family’s ownership, while Keane admitted he found it difficult to criticise any element of the protest.
Both showed a deeper understanding of the reason the masses were gathering at the gates of Old Trafford.
But the arguments put forward by Shearer and Souness left a particularly sour taste in the mouth for United supporters, and their content should be dispelled as something of a myth in the wider context of anti-Glazer sentiment among the fanbase.
Shearer said brazenly that “only Manchester City have spent more” than United in recent years, suggesting the owners had done their job in terms of financing the club.
Souness, similarly quoting figures about transfer outlay, defended how much money the Glazers have spent at United.
“I don’t think it will [have an impact],” he said on the protest. “The Glazers, since Fergie retired, have given successive managers over a billion pound to spend. I think it’s £719million net spend over the eight years.”
The next part of Souness’ assessment truly went beyond the pale for many United fans, as he suggested the lack of success on the pitch was the only reason for the protests taking place now.
He added: "I think it’s born out of United not being top dogs as much as what happened last week [the European Super League proposals], I think that’s another excuse to have a go at them. These are serious, serious business people, I don’t think this will impact on their thoughts. I really don’t.”
Souness must have forgotten that the height of the anti-Glazer protests at United came in 2010, when the team was thriving under Sir Alex Ferguson as winners of the Premier League in the three previous years and as Champions League finalists in 2008 and 2009 (they would reach it again, after winning the league in 2011).
The green and gold campaign then was a response to the enormous debt the Glazer ownership had left the club saddled with; it was a response to the steady decline at the summit, the money being taken out by the Glazers, the fact United had sold Cristiano Ronaldo for a world record fee in 2009 and not replaced him. Fans then, as they are now, were happy with the team and the manager, but intelligent enough to see the wider picture.
The other point Souness made is perhaps even more insulting, comparing United’s transfer spend to that of Man City, suggesting the Glazers had done enough in the market to legitimise their running of the club. He is right that they've spent £1bn on players since 2013.
The very big difference is City don’t have a net debt that has grown to £455.5 million, as of March this year. They've also had considerably more success, not just in terms of winning the Premier League, but with making cohesive and sensible signings — using the money wisely.
Furthermore, United’s Mancunian rivals have a benevolent owner who is bankrolling them with his own cash injections; the Glazers are doing the very opposite, piggybacking on United’s commercial success and taking money out. Anything spent on transfers comes thanks to TV broadcast income, merchandise and ticket sales — all via supporters’ money.
Okay, the increase in debt and slight reduction in revenue in the past year has been a result of the covid-19 pandemic, but United have been in the red from the very first day of the Glazer regime. They hadn’t been in debt at all since 1931 before the American family arrived.
Spending money on transfers is a prerequisite for a club of United’s size. They are, commercially, the strongest club in the Premier League and the fourth strongest in the world — a revenue of €580.4m only bettered by Real Madrid, Barcelona and Bayern Munich.
United should be spending more money on transfers than anyone else. They should also be running a much slicker operation not just in terms of making the right signings, but in relation to stadium upkeep, club infrastructure and debt management, all issues are under the microscope at United right now thanks to the protests.
The vast majority of fans protesting on Sunday knew all of this.
It was just a shame some pundits seemed to miss the point entirely.
I was watching when Souness said his bit and thought the exact same thing. He was an old man missing the mark completely because he can't step back and understand the problem like Neville, Carragher, and Richards did. The sky presenter not helping one bit with his baiting.
Shearer speaking absolute tosh is just predictable. For a player who actually had some morals and standards in his playing years, he still can't rid himself of his hate for United. Newcastle & United fans are in exactly the same boat.
Who'd of thought Gary Neville of all people and Jamie Carragher would be bringing the fans of the biggest rivalry in English football together but they're right.
Cities owners and Abramovich aren't leeching from their club they're building them up. Our's and Liverpool's are doing the opposite and to this day I just don't understand how the Glazer's take over of United was allowed to happen.
Given the ever crumbling red wall in UK politics. Is it out of the question for a conservative government to intervene..... what better way for them to really flip those areas whether that's good or bad.
Manchester United lose £200m training kit deal over fans’ anti-Glazers campaign
Manchester United have missed out on a proposed new training kit deal worth £200m over 10 years after the Manchester-based company The Hut Group had concerns about the supporters’ campaign to boycott the club’s commercial partners in protest at the Glazers’ ownership, the Observer understands.
Richard Arnold, United’s group managing director, was told on Friday that THG had pulled out of a contract which was due to start on 1 July.
The branding of Myprotein, a Cheshire firm owned by THG, was due to appear on United’s training kit and replace the branding of AON, sponsors of the club’s Carrington training centre.
Last Sunday’s supporter protest against the Glazers outside Old Trafford led to United’s game with Liverpool being postponed until the coming Thursday. THG, it is understood, was taken aback by the subsequent social media and online backlash against United’s partners.
An anonymous United fans group with the hashtag NOTAPENNYMORE launched an online campaign to boycott the club’s major partners, which include Adidas, TAG Heuer and Cadbury, and wrote an open letter to them vowing to target their products.
It is understood THG, a multibillion pound company with offices near Manchester Airport, was concerned that as a local business it would be targeted by disaffected fans in Greater Manchester.
AON’s agreement expires on 30 June, which means United may struggle to strike a new deal of similar value to that proposed with THG.
The Glazers’ move to join the now defunct European Super League heightened the supporter opposition towards the American family. There was also some disillusionment and embarrassment within the club at senior level about how the ESL breakaway was presented.
Both THG and United declined to comment, with those familiar with the deal at Old Trafford confirming there are no ongoing talks.
Excellent news, this is how you hurt them and drive them out.