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The next Spurs manager

Discussion in 'Premier League' started by A Gooner, Apr 22, 2021.

  1. MrLeeLemon

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    hmmmmm...
     
  2. Jason

    Jason Spurs optimist

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    ENIC have not been all bad and for all of their criticism there are certainly worse owners around. That said success can be defined in a number of ways.

    Tottenham are a club that have historically done quite well in winning cups. Spurs won the league in the 50's, had a very successful side in the 60's, won multiple cups in the 70's, 80's and 90's.
    ENIC took over in 2001 and have overseen just one trophy in that time - 22 years and counting. That isn't solely their fault but the reality is they've overseen Tottenham's least successful period and this last decade the first without a trophy since WW2.

    On the flipside they've brought more consistency in the league and 15 years of European football after a long spell without it so that's something in their favour.

    One of the biggest reasons for the breakdown in the relationship has been the rise in ticket prices. Tottenham fans pay the highest ticket prices in the country, perhaps even world football, so I find the criticism about raised expectations hard to sympathise with. They've brought the unrealistic expectation upon themselves.

    Football wants fans to be unwavering supporters when it suits them and customers at other times. If we consider ourselves the latter you ask what you get for your investment in comparison to much cheaper 'products' elsewhere in England and Europe.

    You have a fanbase that don't see the success, don't enjoy the football, get treated by shit with how modern football is, have disinterested players and then an ownership that care more for its finances than anything else. The Super League acceptance was a sign of an ownership that have no care for sporting merit or integrity and just how much profit it can generate.

    The fans are fed up. The fans were fed up in that last season before Pochettino too. It was awfully toxic towards the end of that AVB / Sherwood season. Poch papered over the cracks and then had an owner that rewarded that with a lack of investment and then a brutal sacking (look at Klopp this year for comparison).

    ENIC were more brutal with Jol and were reluctant to properly back Redknapp at a time we had a really good 11. History continues to repeat itself.

    The expectations are high at Spurs. Too high to some degree but it's time for ENIC to move on. I'll thank them for many of the memories we've had but the decline and some of the business decisions in the last five years have been terrible.

    Anyway, ramble over for now.
     
  3. A Gooner

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    Very unlikely. This squad isn't good enough. They got there last year but it took the influence of a world class manager and an unsustainable hot streak from Heung-Min Son for them to just pip Arsenal. The world class maanger has gone and Son has slowed down as expected and Spurs have dropped back 10 points.

    I'm not having the lack of investment argument (spent over €550m since the CL final), they've just made a series of bad decisions. If a player plays bad, he gets dropped. If a manager underperforms, he get sacked. But who holds the higher management to account? The fans.

    I've always believed you get to a point with money where the rest of the top 6 becomes a bit irrelevent. Spurs 'shouldn't' be struggling to break 60 points considering the money they've spent. And the performance with managers hasn't been great either. Unless you have the trophies to show for it like Chelsea did for all those years, being in a position where you are about to appoint a 5th manager into the job since the CL final (June 2019) is a bad look.

    For the money Spurs have spent and the narrative/trajectory of the current position they are in, the fans vitriol is fully justified.
     
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  4. Guyett

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    Thats the point Im making though, Levy has not gone for the managers preferred player the majority of the the time, instead going for the cheaper option... and then spent money replacing that player... we've spent over £100m trying to replace Walker ffs.
     
  5. MrLeeLemon

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    Buy cheap, buy twice.
     
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    Or in Levy's case, buy cheap, buy five times....

    Its the Levy way.
     
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    Frosty You'll Never Walk Alone

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    It's never going to change, and that's why fans opinions aren't going to change. Levy won't sell up though, unless there is something drastically done by the fans, but you are very limited to what you can do. Walkouts won't change anything, boycotting the club till something changes won't work as the next fans end up taking the available seats, and buying tickets but not turning up won't bother him as his pockets is still being lined.

    I'd be worried that when Kane has eventually gone, as you know for a fact that the money made from him, won't be properly invested in the front line, and his goals will never be close to be being replaced.
     
  8. Jason

    Jason Spurs optimist

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    Leave Spurs - win a trophy :(

     
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    Lots of questions if Tottenham do appoint Postecoglou.
    He seems to have built his Celtic team on players from his J1 League days and Australian International experience. Obviously a good coach at knitting a team together, but would he be as comfortable or capable of coaching more elite players and their egos.
    Numerous managers at Tottenham seemed have failed to control the dressing room, even Pochettino.

    I'm not one of those who thinks Kane would be better off leaving Spurs, media keep saying he won't win anything, unless he moves abroad to a Munich or Real to have a chance of CL glory. Think Tottenham have to lower their sights to try and win a cup to give Kane a chance of silver wear. It's 6-7 games for them to get through. They need to get back to being a Cup team and go from there in getting Kane both Silver wear & his scoring record..
     
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    I don't buy that winning a random League Cup is going to mean anything.
     
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    Cup Snob. :D
     
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    At least he'll something to show for his hard work
     
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    Tbf he's also had callum mcgregor, made a former Tottenham cb look like a class act, jota from Portugal and matt o Riley from England. Kyogo and hatate and maeda are the only real quality first 11 players from the j league. Spurs without Kane (looks possible) is a very even match in my opinion, but agree could he attract and make elite players play. I think he'd be a success, not guaranteed but allowed a couple of transfer windows think he could smash it. He's great at changing mentality
     
  14. MrLeeLemon

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    It would be hilarious to see just how hard he celebrates it. Probably end up getting given an extra bank holiday for arrrr Harry.
     
  15. Kirby

    Kirby We count the votes

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    Granted I'm biased but I honestly think Postecoglou would stand more chance of winning silverware at Palace than Spurs at the moment.
     
  16. TAFKAP

    TAFKAP Where's Adim?
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    Agree. With your lot he'd be almost guaranteed to win "best Palace manager of the season" whereas with us I can see there being much more competition
     
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    StretfordEnd Fools can be kings
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    Not convinced that winning the Treble North of the border will necessarily mean success in the Premier League.

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    Success next season for Spurs is probably avoiding a relegation fight to be fair. We shouldn't be hiring a manager used to sitting pretty at the top of the table - Big Sam is more our target market if we're being honest and realistic.
     
  19. Vito Andolini

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    Agreed

    Guy won more trophies than Manchester United in the last decade tbf
     
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    StretfordEnd Fools can be kings
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    That's an even more pessimistic view than usual! New manager, no doubt at least 3 - 4 new signings and who knows? :hopefully

    "Trophies" . . . :laugh::laugh::laugh:
     
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