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The Non-Top-Six Transfer Rumour Thread

Discussion in 'Premier League' started by Burg, Aug 24, 2020.

  1. Tomohawk

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    Can't help but think there is something beautifully ironic about this part of that post :laugh:
     
  2. Tomohawk

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    The Twitterati seem to be mainly against such a deal but there are a few who are heading down the "it's not my money so **** it" type route. No doubt the latter will be the first onto Marinakis's back when the administrators come knocking :D
     
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    I know I’ve been one of the more critical ones of your transfer strategy. From my side I just hate to see clubs put themselves in danger of doing a Derby, or worse, a Bury.

    If the strategy was to spend £100m on players with potential resale, I’d have been fine with it - and a lot of your business fits into that strategy.

    It’s when you were already at £70m odd, then adding players like Lingard, rumours of £30m on MGW and talk that you still needed 4-5 more when you’d already bought a whole new team, that pushed it into reckless territory for me.

    I know you’ve said there’s no reason to doubt the board, etc, but it’s well-accepted that being in the PL is worth about £100m for that first season. If you were to add wages to your transfer fees, that’s already gone. So spending more has to be gambling with future years and spending parachute payments already.

    That’s my concern. Totally get and understand you had to buy a lot of players (much as you might think I don’t), and up till recently thought you’d done very smart business. The rumours of what’s to come though, firmly put it in reckless territory for me.

    Hope that helps explain it! Certainly no hatred of Forest, no reason to - and no hatred of spending money if it’s there to be spent. Big dislike of clubs gambling their future - seen it happen to my club and we only just survived.
     
  4. RedDogChris

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    Mariankis knows he will be gambling somewhat (ok a bloody lot)if he drops 40 million on MGW. He will know the potential risks of relegation with this outlay and knows the FFP drill off the back of his hand so we would be in selling mode next summer if it came to it for sure.
     
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  5. Deano

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    You are the one who said that we have a "whole lot of dross" so I merely said I couldn't wait to hear some names who you think that applies to?

    Don't think there is anything in either of our posts to indicate we need to "take a chill pill" - this bit in bold on the other hand... :laugh:
     
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  6. Super_horns

    Super_horns WATFORD Till I Die
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    Forest can just pay 20 million etc if they really want him!

    Apparently we don’t need to sell so not sure how this would benefit us in any way unless they are offering some ridiculous loan fee .

    But sad thing is we’ll probably agree to this and end up getting much less and no replacement in.

     
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  7. DunblaneWolf

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    Sounds like we're trying to sign someone called Boubacar Traoré from FC Metz. 20 year old Midfielder. Know absolutely nothing about him.

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    Another Traore?

    It's a new version of the 80's when every other player was Taylor or Quinn. And then the never-ending Sodje's.
     
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    Hamza Choudhury has joined Watford on loan, contracts up next summer so he’s played his last game for us
     
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    Weirdly it's been announced by Watford as a loan with an option to buy. Presumably we have an option to extend by a year and are covered if he has a pearler and gets himself some market value. Can't see it!
     
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    Leivapool Arrogantly inferior.

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    Don't worry about it, we've got that covered in here.
     
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    We are in for a Coventry striker my contacts tell me.
     
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    That's not normal, maybe you should take them out.
     
  14. Burg

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    They have such small man syndrome as a club :laugh:

    @Jonny Ninja Diop getting pelters from your fans, have you mugged us off or is there a player in there?
     
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    Jonny Ninja Moonshine drunken monk, get your head shrunk

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    I actually think it’s a good deal for both. He’s a good player and still young. He’s just prone to mistakes and positionally he’s not always where he needs to be. When he was used in the Europe for us last year he did well. His best years are in front of him, he will continue to improve imo and I think for 15m it’s good value

    I wouldn’t take to much notice of some of our fans mate. Cresswell & benrahma (who have both been good players for us) are currently getting dug out by a section if our fans. Even Moyes is taking sh*t from some sections
     
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    The f*** ? So we're gambling on him being good then, otherwise we're stuck with him for another year.
     
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    I suspect there will be an appearance clause that triggers the deal becoming permanent for a fairly low fee
     
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    Leicester transfers: Owners investing in infrastructure to close the gap on the 'big six' in the long term

    Leicester City remain the only Premier League club yet to sign a new player in this transfer window.

    Even more worrying for supporters is the fact that some of their biggest stars - Wesley Fofana, James Maddison, Youri Tielemans, Harvey Barnes - are being targeted by some of the richest clubs in the Premier League.

    So what's the problem? Is the club in financial trouble? Have Leicester lost their ambition? Are they now a selling club?

    The answer to all of those questions is 'no'. It's all part of an unwavering plan which, whilst unpalatable to many Leicester fans, is consistent with their long-term strategy.

    Let's deal first with the possible 'outgoings'. Leicester fans are understandably mortified at the prospect of losing one (or more) of the jewels in their crown - especially with no signs of new blood coming in.

    They've already lost a favourite in Kasper Schmeichel, remember, with no prospect of a like-for-like replacement.

    But so far, Schmeichel aside (who was given special dispensation because of his outstanding service to the club) the owners have rejected every bid that's come in for one of their best players. Chelsea's second bid for Fofana was more than double the one that Leicester paid St Etienne for him less than two years ago.

    To sell now would sound like sensible business, no? Double your money in just over 18 months? Not if, like Leicester, you believe Fofana's value will grow still further after another season or two in the Premier League.

    That's why they're very reluctant to sell now - unless Chelsea really are prepared to go big (and possibly eclipse the world record fee that Manchester United paid Leicester for Harry Maguire).

    Leicester's approach might be more difficult to sustain if Fofana himself is desperate to leave. His cryptic Instagram message, saying he will annoy a lot of people if he does "what's best for him" has been interpreted as him favouring a move to Stamford Bridge.

    But my understanding is that, whilst ambitious, he is happy at Leicester - hence him signing a contract extension just five months ago. And it's hard to see a player of Fofana's character going on strike, or agitating for a move like Riyad Mahrez did in 2018.

    Leicester's success in recent years has been in selling one of their best players for top dollar and re-investing that money wisely. Look at the departures of Mahrez, N'Golo Kante, Ben Chilwell, and Maguire.

    If they are to sell any of their superstars now, it will only be if the buying club is prepared to pay a premium. Whilst the pandemic hit King Power very hard as an international duty-free business, Leicester City is not in any financial trouble.

    So no player will be sold on the cheap. And to that end, I've been told that privately, Leicester's bosses have found Newcastle's offers for Maddison verging on the offensive.

    Furthermore, the price of each of those stars is rising by the day: a buying club will have to pay more for Youri Tielemans in the final week of the window compared with now because Leicester would then have little time to re-invest that money in a replacement.

    Another key point to make is one of brutal reality: Leicester cannot compete, financially, with the 'Big 6'. Right now, no one (not even Liverpool, probably) can compete with Manchester City and Chelsea, in terms of financial clout.

    Leicester have a plan to start to address that - but it will take years. Decades maybe.

    At a cost of £100m, they built a quite brilliant new training ground which opened at Christmas and which, many feel, is as good as any other club facility in world football.

    That was money which could have been spent on the squad. But Leicester's bosses felt it was more important to build something more lasting. Something which will help attract world-class signings in the future and help further develop the home-grown talent which has served Leicester so well already (see Barnes, Kiernan Dewsbury-Hall, Luke Thomas, for examples).

    Almost exactly a year ago, they unveiled plans to build a new 220-room hotel, an events and entertainment venue, and plans to expand King Power Stadium by 8,000 seats to a total of 40,000.

    Ambitious stuff. But - and here's the rub - when finished, the stadium will still be only just over half the size of Old Trafford.

    At the time, in August 2021, the club's announcement read: "To continue competing in the Premier League…..requires a disciplined, sustainable and innovative business model…" And that statement perhaps best sums up Leicester's approach. To compete on the pitch with the best in the Premier League, you have to get closer to competing with them off the pitch.

    So it's been a conscious plan to invest more of the club's finances right now in the club's infrastructure, rather than the first team. Tottenham did similar - and were similarly criticised - when they built their mesmeric Tottenham Hotspur Stadium.

    But this isn't the only reason Leicester have been so quiet in this summer's transfer market. There is money for Brendan Rodgers to strengthen the squad, besides all the investment in buildings. But before any of that money is spent on new players, there is a determination that the squad must be trimmed.

    Leicester's best team is very strong, as evidenced by the line-up Rodgers picked for the season opener against Brentford on Sunday, even without the injured Barnes and Ricardo. But they don't have the depth of quality throughout the wider squad that the 'Big 6' enjoy.

    And yet, Leicester have a lot of 'senior pros' on big money who aren't part of Rodgers' plans going forward. Look at the likes of Caglar Soyuncu, Ryan Bertrand, Jannik Vestergaard, Ayoze Perez, Dennis Praet and Hamza Choudhury - three of whom weren't even in the matchday squad on Sunday, and watched from the stands.

    It's tough to keep those players happy, if they're not playing. And unhappy players can affect the unity and positivity of an entire squad - characteristics that have served Leicester so well in winning the Premier League six years ago and the FA Cup in 2021.

    And remember, Leicester don't have European football this season when some of those 'squad' players could get a runout.

    The strategy is very clearly to get as many of those 'unwanted' players off the wage bill as possible, as soon as possible, before thinking of replacing them with new faces.

    Searching for good value improvements

    Another problem is that Leicester only want to buy players who are as good, if not better, than players in their starting 11. And they're both difficult to find and expensive.

    More than that, players of the sort of quality Leicester are interested in will want guaranteed football. Who's prepared to sit on the bench at the King Power Stadium, when you could be on more money, sitting on the bench at the Emirates, or St James' Park?

    Add to this, the fact that Leicester had so many injuries last season. Vardy, Fofana, Wilfred Ndidi, Jonny Evans, Ricardo, James Justin, Timothy Castagne, Barnes, Maddison, and Soyuncu all had lengthy spells on the sidelines. This meant that players who might have been sold sooner, are still on the books.

    Quite simply, Leicester needed the numbers last season. They don't this season.

    Patience key

    So to sum up: Leicester's bosses hope the supporters can remain patient. That the manager - hugely ambitious and coveted as he is - can remain patient too, and still buy into 'the Leicester way'. Rodgers, of course, would like to have more funds for players. But he understands and respects the Leicester model.

    There's little doubt that - whilst Leicester's squad has stood still - the clubs they're competing with in the top half of the Premier League have progressed and strengthened.

    The fans' fears are predictable and totally understandable. And an opening day home draw against Brentford did little to boost the expectations.

    But it's a stark fact that, with the spending of the likes of Man City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal and Spurs - and almost certainly Manchester United too by the end of the window - Leicester could spend £150m this summer and still be no more likely than they are now to break the top six.

    It's a tough sell to explain that to Leicester's fee-paying public, who understandably want to see their squad getting stronger every year, with exciting, quality (expensive) new additions.

    Leicester's bosses have to hope that the supporters understand and trust them that the clever management and strategy that has got Leicester to where they are will stand them in good stead for the future too.
     
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    Garrincha More neutral than most

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    That actually sounds correct and good
     

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