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The uefa champions league was best with just 8 teams!

Discussion in 'Uefa Champions League & Europa League' started by Stuarty, Nov 17, 2017.

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The UEFA Champions League [group stage] was /is best when it just had 8 teams in it?

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  1. Stuarty

    Stuarty Active Member

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    somebody once said on the internet that in international football the European championship finals in football were best when it had 8 teams in it. I totally agree.
    the UEFA champions league is supposed to have (only) 8 teams in it hence the fact that the it's logo has 8 stars which are suppose to represent each of the 8 teams in a season taking part in the group stage.

    How the Champions League ate the world - the story behind European football's behemoth
     
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    zippy The friendly Fascist

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    How often do you actually visit our planet ?
     
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    It was better with no groups.

    CL knockouts are thrilling. Group stages aren't.
     
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    PorkchopExpress The Blackfish

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    CL groups were better in the 90s when the best players were spread across 30-40 clubs, but now, I'd agree with KO only. I don't think there should be 4 teams from a country, however 1 makes the tournament seem too week. Champions get seeded in the first round, and that's it.
     
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    Yeah, it was certainly better when there was a more even spread of good players through more teams. Bosman, combined with the three foreigner rule ending in the mid 90s (and the increase to 2-4 clubs per league) changed that.

    This Ajax side will be divided out to 5 or 6 elite clubs within 2 years.
     
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    PorkchopExpress The Blackfish

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    Hopefully the Ajax players will come to United instead.
     
  7. Stuarty

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    Every 22 years or so since the 1970's Ajax Amsterdam create a team that is the best football team in Europe only to see the team break up within a couple of years as players move to other clubs only for the cycle to repeat another 20 or so years down the line.
    so Ajax to win the 2049 champions League anybody?
     
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  8. Stuarty

    Stuarty Active Member

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    Imagine if the UEFA Champions league group stage only consisted of the last 8 teams left in the competition in season 2018/2019.
    surely that is more exciting than the current 32 team group stage set up? quality over quantity? what ya think?

    Group A
    Barcelona
    Man United
    Liverpool
    Oporto

    Group B
    Ajax Amsterdam
    Juventus
    Man City
    Tottenham Hotspur

    group winners meet in the final?
     
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  9. Jason

    Jason Spurs optimist

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    If only the last eight teams in the competition qualify, who qualifies for 2020/21? :confused
     
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    Make it 64 teams instead and get rid of the UEL.

    After that make the UCL a straight knock-out affair with no seedings, so anyone can play anybody and it will also at the same time re-assure that we won't get the same or near the same last 8 line-up every year. We've got Ajax and Spurs to thank for a huge change this season in that trend, but it won't be every season under the current set-up. We will probably revert to type this time next season.
     
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  11. Jason

    Jason Spurs optimist

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    Ultimately you've got the Leicester City moment.

    Great to see Ajax / Spurs there but all of the big clubs who've had a poor showing in Europe will go and spend big and probably dominate for years to come.

    Leicester was a great moment (personal bias aside) but the top 6 have gone up a level because of it. Nobody has had a sniff of 6th since.
     
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  12. Stuarty

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    Silvio Berlusconi IS THE REASON WE HAVE THE group stage in the European cup, and we have the club world cup.
    how one man can have such influence compared to the rest of us in football is beyond me. anybody care to explain.

    According to Sepp Blatter, the idea of the tournament was presented to the Executive Committee in December 1993 in Las Vegas, United States by Silvio Berlusconi, [then] AC Milan's president.
    FIFA Club World Cup - Wikipedia

    creation of the UEFA Champions League
    https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...s-napoli-1987-silvio-berlusconi-a7577996.html
     
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    The problem with the uefa champions league is that there are too many teams it drastically over-expanded, and probably the ideal number of teams was 8, too many games, too many one-sided games, too many commercials, and too long a season. The product -- season in and season out --has been diluted.

    I am tired of tournaments increasing in quantity and reducing in quality.

    a long boring tournament or a short sharp high quality tournament.

    for me always a short sharp high quality tournament every time.

    greed has ruined the champions league.
     
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    Money talks.
     
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    yes but surely the very big clubs would make more money playing in a smaller group stage amongst themselves than in a large group stage with against more teams with lower quality.

    they could still have one or two places open to clubs outside the elite clubs in order to make it more of a proper meritocracy.

    if based only on money and profit maximisation then this one way how the group stage would look.

    Group A
    Real Madrid
    Barcelona
    AC Milan
    Inter Milan

    Group B
    Man United
    Liverpool
    Bayern Munich
    Juventus


    Final
    Real Madrid v Man United

    If the same teams play in the same group in the group stage each year gets stale then alternate the group placing above with the groupings bellow every second season.

    Group A

    Real Madrid
    Barcelona
    Bayern Munich
    Juventus


    Group B
    Man United
    Liverpool
    Inter Milan
    AC Milan


    Final
    Real Madrid v Man United

    Winner: Real Madrid

    the other way being one league of 8 (14 fixtures per team)
    to keep it fresh less tale have a different order of fixtures in the league each season
    1. Real Madrid
    2. Barcelona
    3. AC Milan
    4. Juventus
    5. Inter Milan
    6. Bayern Munich
    7. Man United
    8. Liverpool
    It would better ensure interest in four of the five big tv markets [England, Germany, Italy & Spain] in Europe by having at least one team from these countries and make the most money (while allowing a super bowl style final) plus still give them free space to continue in thier domestic leagues!
     
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    Taffy C'mon you reds.

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    Real shame that AC Milan have missed out on the CL for next season.


    Nah not really, not good enough to even finish 4th.
     
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    Stuart, send a poorly worded letter to UEFA instead of boring us with this shit.

    On the other hand, if Liverpool do somehow scrape a proper trophy with Klopp in charge - something obviously needs to be done.
     
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    looks like a closed shop cl, if you made it champions only the variance would be different teams every year
     
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    No it wouldn't. Juventus, Bayern, Barcelona and PSG have dominated their leagues this decade. It's only England that has different winners on a regular basis.

    You need a competition that satisfies that demand for games. It's 13 games to win the CL in it's current format. To continue that in a knockout only format, you'd need an additional 3 rounds. So in essence, a 128 team knockout competition. The current group stages of the CL and EL makes up 80 teams.
     
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