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When was Football at the Olympics considered important?

Discussion in 'International Football' started by KentishFootballFan, Jul 15, 2021.

  1. KentishFootballFan

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    Uruguay have 4 stars on their shirt, 2 for their Olympic wins and 2 for their World Cup wins.
    Hungary’s Golden Generation won Gold at the 1952 Olympics and then went on to finish runners-up in the 1952 World Cup

    During what period was the Olympics considered meaningful and important?
    When were teams allowed to send first team squads, and did most teams send first team squads during the period it was allowed?

    Was it that Uruguay and Hungary were allowed to send their winning teams of amazing players to the Olympics due to most of them playing in their domestic leagues which may of been considered amateur at the time?

    Sorry for so many questions I’m just really curious as nowadays the teams have to be u23 barring 3 over-23 players being allowed.


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    Yes, the Hungary team of 1952 was excellent and it was considered the best in the world back then. They've beaten them all, e.g England in Wembley (if I remember correctly the first time that a team outside the UK have beaten them in Wembley) and Brazil in Maracana. So it was kind of a shock when Germany had beaten them in the final of the 1954 World Cup (especially after losing 3-8 against them in the group stages although some players were rested back then).

    When Football at the Olympics was considered important? Don't know, maybe exactly back in that time. All I know is that it isn't considered as important as a World Cup or Euro in Germany.
    Although we won the Silver Medal in 2016 at the Olympics the actual Germany team under Bundestrainer Stefan Kuntz (also the Coach of the U21 Euro Champions 2021)at this Olympics can't even get 22 men that were allowed (or is it 23?). Only 19 men (1 injured now so only 18) will be in the Germany team for the Olympics because some Bundesliga clubs didn't allow their players to be in the team (e.g Bayern even didn't allow their #3 goalkeeper to be in it).

    You also have to understand the clubs that they don't want their players miss some early matchups in the league (for example Bundesliga 2 is already beginning in 8 days)

    So overall it has no great rating here in Germany although if we win a medal again it would also be nice (btw: We have our first match against Brazil in the group stage, this was the final of the 2016 Olympics :D )


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    Tin Vickery said in South America etc it's seen as really important and when Brazil won last time at home it was like a weight off their shoulders.

    Trouble here is that the competition takes place usually at the start of the domestic season so not covered much

    Of course Team GB managed to carry on a usual tradition - lost on penalties!

    On Super Saturday too so you can guess what the reaction was like from non football fans.
     
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    Yes, in 2016 even Neymar played for them (although not this time).

    And Spain has some of the players that played in the Euro also in the Olympics team (like Pedri or Dani Olmo from Leipzig. Olmo even said that it was without a doubt that he wanted to play for Spain at the Olympics. Leipzig had accepted it). From the Germany team no player is in the Olympic team ( and that maybe for the best :laugh:)

    Aren't you qualified? :eeek (sorry, don't even know which teams are actually playing in the Olympic tournament outside Germany (and Brazil, because they play against us soon)).

    Team GB? You mean it would have been an all UK team with Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish players (if there were any in it)? Interesting that this is possible for the Olympics but not for the World Cups or Euro
    Isn't it in Rugby, too, that an all UK team is playing sometimes (besides the normal ones)?
     
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    Neymar actually missed the Copa America in 2016 to play in the Olympics.
     
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    Yes we don't usually enter but as the 2012 Olympics was in London we had to field a team really.

    Stuart Pearce was the manager he had to pick David Beckham I think.

    European teams this time are:

    France
    Germany
    Romania
    Spain
     
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    He picked Giggs, Micah Richards and Bellamy as his over aged players. There were only Welsh and English players in the squad.

    @Dirk it won't happen again, and there's a lot of push back against it from the FAW, the SFA and the IFA as we feel it could potentially threaten the future of our national teams if it was to occur regularly.
     
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    Looking at the squads, there's only a couple of the top nations that are really going for it. Germany don't look to be bothering at all, and France haven't got anywhere near as strong a side as they could put out their if they wanted to. Argentina have only decided to name one overaged player which seems like a bit of a waste.

    Spain's squad looks really strong with Unai Simon, Pau Torres, Eric Garcia, Pedri, Oyarzabal and Dani Olmo all in their from the Euros squad, as well as the likes of Marcos Asensio.

    Brazil also have a strong squad, with the amount of talent they've got and they've also got Richarlison who's played in the Copa for them. Overall though, you'd have to put Spain favourites given that they could be playing seven of a potential strongest starting eleven in a group containing Egypt and Australia.
     
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    The British & Irish Lions includes the whole of the island of Ireland, as does all Rugby Union and Gaelic Athletic Association sports (Hurling, Gaelic Football, etc.). The "real" world will catch up eventually.




     
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    So I guess 1920-1952 was when it was taken seriously?

    1920 was the first time non-European teams entered, and Uruguay hold their 1924 and 1928 wins in very high regard and have stars for them on their shirt along with their two World Cup wins.

    1930, 1934 and 1938 was when the first three World Cup’s happened, but the fourth didn’t happen until 1950 (after WW2). I guess it wasn’t until the World Cup was fully on its feet and after everything became normal after WW2 when everyone stopped caring about the Olympics and started focusing mainly on the World Cup.

    It seems like the Olympics up until 1952 were seen as very prestigious, Hungary were favourites for the 1954 World Cup based on their 1952 Olympic performance, with their 1952 Olympic performance being the reason why England invited them to play at Wembley in 1953 in a game that became known as the ‘Match of the Century’ where Hungary beat England 6-3, with Hungary later hosting England in 1954 just under a month before the 1954 World Cup with Hungary beating England 7-1.


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    From 1952-1980, the winners were always won by communist nations:

    1952 - Hungary, 1956 - Soviet Union, 1960 - Yugoslavia, 1964 - Hungary, 1968 - Hungary, 1972 - Poland, 1976 - East Germany, 1980 - Czechoslovakia

    Does that help to explain the lack of enthusiasm for the tournament from Western Europe, which seemed to develop in this period? There's plenty of reason for them to feel aggrieved as well, reading wikipedia:

    "As professionalism spread around the world, the gap in quality between the World Cup and the Olympics widened. The countries that benefited most were the Soviet Bloc countries of Eastern Europe, where top athletes were state-sponsored while retaining their status as amateurs. As a result, young Western amateurs had to face seasoned and veteran Soviet Bloc teams, which put them at a significant disadvantage. All Olympic football tournaments from 1948 to 1992 were dominated by the Soviet Union and its satellites. Between 1948 and 1980, 23 out of 28 Olympic medals were won by Eastern Europe, with only Sweden (gold in 1948 and bronze in 1952), Denmark (bronze in 1948 and silver in 1960) and Japan (bronze in 1968) breaking their dominance."
     
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    Germany out then ?

    Stick to the Dressage @Dirk !

    France clearly didn’t bother trying.

    Guess the final will be Brazil v another .
     
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    You'd think it'd Brazil vs Spain final, both on different sides of the draw.

    Spain don't seem to have got going properly, but on paper have the strongest squad which really isn't all that far off their Euros side. They've got Ivory Coast and then the winners of Japan/New Zealand.
     
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    Given the circumstances we weren't so bad. 1win against Saudi Arabia, 1 draw against Ivory coast (who drew also against Brazil) and only the first half against Brazil was bad where we conceded 3 goals from Everton's Richarlison (didn't even know that he was Brazilian tbh). in the second half we closed the gap to 2-3 but got the 2-4 at the end.
    We got a red card in that match and another red in the following match :laugh:

    So with our already reduced team of only 18 players available, this caused some added problems :D 22 players were allowed but Bundesliga clubs refused to send more players).
    So it was even planned to let the 2nd goalkeeper play in the remaining minutes as a substitute in the Saudi Arabia match because of not many options available any more

    As said, the Olympic football tournament has no big significance here so nobody was bothered about the elimination



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    Our most succesful "sport" at the Olympics ;). I just mentioned it in the Olympic section. I can't stand this sport tbh but it's a secure gold medal for Germany
     
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    I think the fact it’s usually won by a South American or African team says a lot really.

    Not many Europeans are that bothered.

    We seem to be finding new sports to be good at now after a lean spell in the 90s.

    Shows what well spent money and decent coaching can do.
     

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