Interesting artical from Jaimie Kanwar... According to almost every 'official' source under the sun, Liverpool received £30m from Real Madrid for the services of Xabi Alonso. A more than fair fee if you ask me considering Alonso's quality, but is it really true? That Liverpool received £30m for Alonso is pretty much accepted amongst Liverpool fans. How could it not be, with almost every newspaper/media source quoting the figure at the time of his sale, including The Independent, The Telegraph, The BBC, and the Liverpool Echo. Even though I believe Alonso is more than worth that amount, I always thought it was (probably) slightly exaggerated. Well, as I will illustrate, Alonso's sale fee was NOT £30m. The latest Liverpool FC club accounts reveal the following: DIRECTORS REPORT: Post ballance sheet events Acquisitions to the playing staff since the year end are Aquilani and Kyrgiakos for the total transfer fees of £20million in addition, the company has sold Alonso, dossena and Voronin for the total guaranteed fees of £29.7million As you can see, the total fees received by the club for Alonso, Andrea Dossena and Andrei Voronin was £29.7m. Looking at this in the context of the alleged £30m sale fee for Alonso, the figures do not compute. According to the club's official website, Liverpool received a combined total of 6.25m Euros for Dossena and Voronin: Liverpool fc confirmed the transfer of Dossena to Napoli for a fee of 4.25mil euros. The club also announced they had reached agreement with Dinamo Moscow for the transfer of Andyiy Voronin for 2million euros. Since this is the official LFC site (owned 100% by LFC), the figures will be accurate. So, let's break it down: * €6.25m converted into pounds = £5.4m * £29.7m - £5.4m = £24.3 So, it appears that Alonso's *actual* sale fee was £24.3m, NOT £30m. These are official, irrefutable figures direct from the club, so they obviously hold more weight than newspaper reports. As always with stats related articles, the purpose of this article is to provide clarity and accuracy. From this point forward, no one can now accurately state that Liverpool received £30m for Xabi Alonso. EDIT: A note about further fees payable I should have included this in the original post (as I knew people would try and make this excuses), but I just want to address the possibility that the fee paid for Alonso is only a 'first installment': * There is no evidence anywhere that Alonso's fee was an installment plan, and/or contained performance related bonuses. * Just because other players (like Aquilani) have such a deal, doesn't mean Alonso did. * Real Madrid are not short of money (!) - given the fact they spent more than 200m in the last summer transfer window - including 80m on Ronaldo! - why would they need to pay for the comparatively cheap Alonso in installments?! Come on, let's get real for a minute! * The note about Alonso's fee was in the 'Post Balance Sheet Events' section, i.e. the sale was concluded after the 31 Jul deadline. LFC's practice (which is consistent across all account reports for the last 10 years) is to include a note in that section IF there are further fees payable/receivable. Here is an example from the 2008 report and the same of Robbie Keane: 28 POST BALANCE SHEET EVENTS Acquisitions to the playing staff since the year end are Albert Reira, Peter Gulasci and Victor Palsson for total transfer fees of £7m. In addition, the company has sold Robbie Keane and Steve Finnan for total quaranteed fees of £12.8mil. This amount will increase significantly as further conditions are fulfilled. Also, since the year end the company has recieved loan amounts totalling £21.3 million from Kop Fottball Limited to provide additional working capital. As you can see, it is clearly stated that the fee received for Finnan/Keane 'will rise significantly as further conditions are fulfilled'. Such notes need to be made so shareholders reading the report have an accurate picture of the club's finances. THERE IS NO SUCH NOTE IN THE CURRENT REPORT FOR ALONSO'S FEE. Thus, there are no further payments due to Liverpool for that transfer. People can stick their heads in the sand and come up with all sorts of excuses, but these are the facts. http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2010/05/exclusive-truth-about-xabi-alonsos.html?
I wouldn't believe anything that comes from Jamie kanwar, his site is the most anti-liverpool site on the net. It wouldn't suprise if it backed by G&H Point to note, Dorsena & Voronin was sold in this Jan window, so how can it be last years accounts? (July 09)
Interesting article from Jaimie Kanwar? Everything that comes out of his mouth is 100% total bollocks. I can't believe any believes this shit. The man is a mouthpiece for the Americans and lives on complete and utter fabrication that has no basis on facts. Bullshit merchant. I'd love to knock him out.
Judging how ordinary Alonso has looked for Real this season, I'd say we were lucky to get what we got. Too much is made of Alonso, ffs you'd think he was Messi the way some people talk. Excellent player when he can be arsed, but can have his poor/ordinary seasons as we witnessed in the two seasons prior to the time when Rafa wanted to sell him.
Given that you dont seem to rate him that highly and him being your main loss last summer, with Aquilani, Johnson and the greek porn star brought in (albiet Aquilani was a touch injury prone) why do you think the team who finished 2nd in 2009 have struggled in 2010. I get that a lot of people on here blame lack of investment and Benetiz having to sell to buy. If Alonso was not that big of a loss (which u seem to be suggesting) and the three players mentioned came in (thus strengthening the squad form 2009) surely a stronger challenge would have been expected.
Where have I said I don't rate him? On his day he's as good a midfielder as any. He was superb for his first two and his final season for us but the two seasons in between he was very ordinary, which inspired Rafa to want to sell him. YES, he was important to us and YES a very decent player when he could be arsed. But he isn't the world beater people seem to think he is. As for our season just gone, there isn't one single reason for such a poor showing, it was just everything piled into one, injuries, poor form by star players, owners going back on promises, etc, etc, etc...anyone who thinks if we'd have kept Alonso everything else would have been rosy are deluded imo...our problems lie deeper than just losing one midfielder.
fair enough ( I did say seem) I have been here myself with United when off the field activities have hindered our season (Micheal Knighton and the current owners)!!I aint looking for arguments as such but whilst I am not sure who would do better I feel Benitez has at times hidden behind your problems with "the Yanks" but hey not really my problem just an observation!!
Correct... but they was release (given to company house) in July 09, relating to April 08 to April 09. they are last years accounts Hes using the post amendment/balances for futures accounts. (director notes) see http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2010/05/revealed-proof-that-liverpool-fc-does.html (this is one he used only a few days before from which they was taken from)
Thats were i query were hes gets the info? (hes using next years notes... POST) I'm not disagree about the amount, only that the site is very anti-Liverpool, on the Alonso sale, it was done in Euro's, although British press are lazy, they often just say £27m, instead of 27m€..... As far as I'm aware, it was 30m€, with 27m as initial payment, so he could be correct, being 27m€ being euros not pounds = £24.6m, there are addon for the next two years which are to follow, if Real Madrid win silverware, which will not be in the present accounts, untill next year. see
Those figures are cock and bull. For anyone who blames this season down to Alonso leaving are idiots, that is not an excuse. I've had this debate with loads of people and are plain ignorant, for not believing that Alonso was not to blame.
Well we shall find out very soon. The article is claiming to be a view of what will be officially released in around two months time. But your figures will have already been submitted to the tax man so someone out there knows for sure. Could be true and this could be taken from the actual document. Could be made up. Untill the official figures are released nobody can say for sure. Off topic but United will be fun when thats released. Provisional looks at that have reports estimating there £120 million reserve Cash balance will have dwindled down to as little as £40 million
It wouldn't surprise me in the least, it also would surprise me the CR9 deal was done in Euro's (80m€) not pounds.
Ronaldo currently holds the distinction of being the most expensive player in football history after having transferred to Real Madrid from Manchester United in a deal worth £80 million (€94m, US$132m). Taken from the most realiable source in the world. Cough wikipedia
Kanwar's a yankee stooge and probably on their payroll. Some of what he gets fed is probably true as a result, but he's also full of shit.
