Erik ten Hag

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    I wonder whose fault it is that your tactics aren't working.... :hmmm
     
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    It's been 18 months of not being able to create chances and 12 months of not being able to score goals, in 2023 we've scored a grand total of 52 goals in the league in 40 games, this is completely and utterly shit and I'm sick to death of watching this crap football. Of course if we let in 10 goals over this period it wouldn't be so horrible, but we've let in 45 goals, a 7gd over 40 games, how isn't this a sackable offence for any manager at MANCHESTER UNITED a team famous for attacking football?

    'our attackers aren't finishing their dinner' Mate, we create ****ing nothing for our attackers to even attempt to finish.

    Garnacho got 0.45xg in today's game and whilst I think personally he could be doing better it's not a shock he's not managed to score when he's not actually had that many high quality chances, most top forwards need 3 or 4 high quality (>0.15xg chances) chances to score and we simply do not produce that.

    Heads dropping easily is a lack of leadership from the top, at one point under Ole we always came back from going behind, when was the last time we did that under ETH?
     
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    we were 5th for big chances created last season. bruno led the league in that stat, as well as overall created chances. your flat out refusal to see that is strange. the dropoff between last season and this season, though, is worrying.

    the difference is now we brought in a striker, but our wide players have been used to going for goal every time they get into the final third that they're not providing chances for holjund. i saw a stat recently that he's received the fewest passes of any striker in the league or something like that. received the ball only three times from antony against liverpool and only received two passes from antony in five hours on the pitch together. only five passes from garnacho in seven hours together. he received a single pass from both of them combined today. not good enough.

    it doesn't help matters that we're missing so many injured players. i'm not having any of that "he should still do better with the players he has" crap, either. today was our 10th centerback pairing this season. after last season, this was supposed to be the season when ten hag started to really make the squad his own and implement his style, but how can any manager do that with so many injuries?

    you come across like you just pick your target each season and pile everything on that individual. last season, it was de gea and now it's ten hag. he's made mistakes and has many things to change and even answer for, but 18 months is not a rebuild and we can't disregard the fact that many of these players have done this to a few managers, as well. sack him and you'll find someone else to pin everything on and united fans will be in this exact same place in 18 months, asking for yet another manager to be shown the door. there's a lot of blame and accountability to be shared at united at the moment, but putting it all on ten hag is a repetitive, tiring, oversimplification
     
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    But who's telling them to play like this? The fact is this United team is clueless up front, 99% of final balls are too long/too short/behind everyone etc. etc. etc and when there is a half chance, as for Garnacho recently, there's no composure and always too many touches. You can't even blame Garnacho's inexperience, because when Rashford or Martial play the result (0 goals) is the same.

    Yet again ten Hag hooked two players he wanted United to buy today, over £150 million spent and the evidence so far is that neither is Premier League standard.
     
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    Like I said, Ten Hag makes mistakes and I don't get why we're playing hojlund like that.
     
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    He's shit. Unless you're related or on his payroll you've got to admit he's in over his bald shiny head.
     
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    9 league defeats before the new year, 93 years since we've had 14 defeats all comps. Dreadful
     
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    That record is pretty indefensible.
     
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    -5 gd after 20 games, his £85m wonderboy (deservedly) hooked at halftime yet again, his team concede yet another goal less than 5 minuters after scoring, tactical disaster hooking his def mid which led to both Forest goals etc. etc. Clueless.
     
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    What's stopping the sacking, the cost of paying him off? Lack of obvious replacements? Bit of both?
     
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    He hooked Rasmus at half time? :eeek
     
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    Who knows? Obviously it's all chaotic behind the scenes at the moment, plus the reluctance to sack yet another manager after 18 months and get on the managerial revolving door again. :shrug
     
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    One thing that might ironically be helping him is just how badly you're doing. You're out of Europe, no chance of the top 4 in the league. There aren't any tangible on field goals to chase that can sometimes encourage a sacking in the hope that a new manager bounce might propel you up into the top 4 for example. You're too far away, it's not going to happen so there's no pressure for a rushed appointment in the hope of a short term boost.

    I suspect he's a dead man walking. From your point of view, hopefully there's a lot of work going on behind the scenes not only targeting the next appointment but also trying to establish a proper structure and vision for the club. Too often it's been rinse and repeat, new manager comes into work with the same failing squad and wastes huge money on big marquee signings that don't really address the key weaknesses in the squad and worst of all, just aren't very good. There's a chance the delay could actually be a good thing and be a sign of detailed work going on behind the scenes. Or it could just be pointless dithering and not wanting to accept yet another failed appointment.
     
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    No obvious replacement.

    Potter was linked, but is that really a manager to turn the season around? You may as well just wait it out and get as close to the end of the season as possible to start looking for Summer when the market should be better.
     
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    His signings weren't "marquee" signings though. I'd barely heard of Antony and Onana when we signed them, and I'd never heard of Hojlund at all. United certainly paid "marquee" money for them though, despite (as far as I know) nobody else being in for them. Just over £200 million on 3 players none of which look Premier League standard so far, and one of which is about to bugger off to the ACN for 4 - 6 weeks despite being 'retired' from international football when United signed him.

    Y.R.C.M.T.S.U.
     
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    They're waiting for Rooney to become available..

    :hopefully
     
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    Give it to Giggsy
     
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    What the **** is he on about???

    When asked if Mainoo's removal was enforced, Ten Hag replied: "No, but he played a third game in a row in this week and that's tough, where he's coming from.

    "I thought the energy was a little bit lower than the other two games this week, therefore we brought some new energy in. I don't regret.

    "I thought Scott brought energy, I thought second half was much better our side. The first goal, when you analyse it good, we were downsized. Nothing to do with the central midfield there.

    "Second goal was a counter-attack where there was a miscommunication, we had players enough and the second part of it, in the first half there were some moments where Forest ran away. It's a good play but we should have tracked that."


    Erik ten Hag explains why he substituted Kobbie Mainoo for Man Utd at half time
     
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    even i'm finding it harder and harder to defend the guy these days. i feel for him regarding the injuries and other behind the scenes stuff, but i can't handle his persistence with mctominay and antony, his poor team selection and subs, or some of his post-match comments in recent weeks.

    no point in a ten hag in/out argument; at this point, whatever's gonna happen will happen. the players shouldn't be let off that easily, though, as they're guilty of poor performances on the pitch. ten hag's 2/1 to be the next manager to go on sky bet and this "break" could be interesting. though, like some have mentioned, you have to wonder if the lack of an available option midseason is what's keeping him around. there are free agents--conte, flick, potter, lopetegui, and ole-- but would they be an improvement? flick would be the only one i'd be open to from that list.
     
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    I've criticised this clown loads this season and last for his lack of rotation, but wtf is he doing this for? So what if he's played a lot recently we have just 2 games in all of January and dont have another game for over a week, let him finish the game out and give him a rest until spurs if you're worried about overworking him.
     
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