Well I promised I'd report back on the singing at Goodison yesterday . My seats were in the Gwladys Street , so I could hear everything . No chants about Michael Shields . One rather half hearted attempt at " The baby's not yours" , probably about 50 people joined in for 1 verse . The guy 2 rows in front of me at one point chanted " Murderers " about 3 times ( nobody joined in ) , followed by " Justice for the 39 " ( about 10 people joined in ) . Which also goes to show that when an Evertonian chants murderers at you , he's refering to Heysel . Whilst you might argue it was manslaughter , it could easily be argued that if you charge in an aggressive and threatening manner at some people , who then get killed trying to escape , that murder is an accurate assessment . No Evertonian , to my knowledge , has ever been anything but sympathetic towards Hillsborough .
I can tell you from seeing the c*nt pretending to choke to death whilst holding a copy of the S*n at Anfield last season, that sadly Evertonians have been something other. Saddens me a lot that.
What justice are these people after though, for the people killed at Heysel? They don't care about the people who died, its just something to bash Liverpool about. In their eyes, Everton missing out on playing in the European Cup was a bigger tragedy than the loss of life. Evertonians have always known the score about Hillsborough but less so every year and the bile gets worse every year at the derby. Why would they sing about Gerrard's kid at home to Blackburn or about Michael Shields away at Spurs?
It was only a handful , fortunately . I agree with you about the Heysel stuff , let's move on . It was just one drunk idiot having a pop at Friedel when he suddenly remembered the Liverpool connection l . Haven't heard the Shields chants , so I'll wait before commenting . As for the Gerrard stuff , I'd save it for the Derby , although to be honest I'm bored with it now , and want new stuff to sing . If he wants to marry a slapper that's his business and I don't really care . Personally I prefer to sing in support of my team rather than abuse of the opposition , it might fire them up .
It's odd then that the Policing in Italy at football grounds has been totally revised since Roma, after the official investigation, and the fans will no longer be surrounded by riot police because they won't be in the ground? A very strange policy change by the Italian government, since you claim "there were several videos showing United fans the cause for BOTH incidents". I can only assume Judas Gill has also now been given a position in the Italian Ministry for Sport.
The Gerrard chant is in bad taste because its about his kid but we're bad with other player chants and although its always Evertonians that come up with these rumours about our players, the 'Whose that coming' chant was quite funny. Rather than keep that one though, or the 'kisses the badge on his chest' United sing, they'd rather sing about his kid instead. Calling Fowler a smackhead for years and then crying to the police because he gave a bit back is sad but we give Gary Neville aload of shit but don't like it when he sticks two fingers up at us or whatever, or United fans who threw about a score in change at Fowler when he scored at their end for City but that's the mentality of fans. Its all very petty and hypocritcal. To be fair I don't care how many Everton fans were singing Justice for the 39 or Murderers yesterday but I know the number will be very high on Derby day but i'm not sure what justice those chanting it will want, or even care about. I keep saying it but I can see Hillsborough chanting becoming increasingly more common place in years to come, amongst alot of opposition fans. You can just sense the change in attitude about it the more time passes and it seems to be fair game now.
I've said it for a while but I can see some ructions amongst your support soon. All it takes is one of these little c*nts to sing one of those songs sat next to a family member of one of the 96 (seeing as the whole City was affected by it) and you've got a fight on your hands.
I thought the "Who's that coming " song was pretty funny , showed a bit more wit than the " Baby's not yours" because it adapted a current song from the charts . I do get embarrassed when our fans complain about players having a go back . Personally I loved the fact that Fowler snorted the line , Barton showed his arse etc . I think it's great that players enter into the banter . If it's done with wit and intelligence , then I love it . Sadly though there's too much mindless abuse and chants . Whilst not personally feeling the need to shout murderer at Liverpool fans on mass , I'd gladly abuse the 500 morons who charged at Heysel ( or however many there were ) ; and I'd gladly abuse anyone who tried to gain entry to Athens without a valid ticket , or a ticket they thought was valid . Of all fans , Liverpool fans should know better . I hope the day never comes when Hillsborough is "fair game" , although sadly I tend to agree that more and more fans have either forgotten or are too young to understand . Whilst I 've never bought into this friendly rivalry stuff , and loveable scousers standing side by side , the atmosphere at the Derby has degenerated , the humour has gone and been replaced by hatred ..... very sad .
Maybe the Hillsborough, murderers, etc chants were toned down, due to the mood generated by the Rhys Jones murder? A lot of those knobs that sing that crap probably held back yesterday....and anyway, why are your fans singing all these songs, whilst playing someone else?
I have no idea ...... but then again , I try not to understand the mentality of some football fans . Over the years I've heard both sets of Merseyside fans singing Munich songs when Man Utd aren't playing , I've also heard other sets of fans singing stuff unrelated to the match going on in front of them . Some of the idiots around me yesterday made me cringe . The one who tried to get the "murderers" chant and the "justice" chant going was a total knob . Clearly drunk , continually jumping up and waving his arms around , shouting abuse at the officials , accusing the rest of us for lacking passion because we weren't joining in with his immature antics . I know when I was a kid , and probably into my early 20's , I used to get very aggitated at games . Maybe through age and probably because as a dad , I'm trying to set an example to my son ; I've calmed down a lot , cut out the bad language etc. Hopefully these people wil as well . My worry is that the guy directly in front of us , accompanied by his young son was swearing and screaming like a banshee . What sort of example is that to set ? His 10 (?) year old boy will grow up exactly the same .
This is where the other's need to step in. I've been in that position before where we've had some dickheads embarrassing themselves near us, usually if you tell them to behave they get the message. Unfortunately nothing gets said most of the time to these scumbags. There has to be a point where something has to be said, it's just not good enough to say that yes we sang about murderers etc but I didn't join in. If you sit there and say nothing you are part of the problem in my book.
That's all very well , and in the past I have stepped in . However I know from past experience it can then turn nasty , and I don't want my son to witness his father getting into a fight . I'm sure you attend all sorts of sporting events at the ACC and the Dome , and sort any trouble out single handed , but occasionally us mere mortals have to decide that it is not always up to us to sort out the world's problems ......... that appears to be down to you and Bono .
I think if I were you I'd be more concerned about my son listening to racist chants or the fact that his dad finds singing songs about a footballers kids "funny".
Yeah , and we wonder why we have the scum that we have today walking our streets , you've got it in one ,great role model- the father. ....eh
No , you're incorrect . Experiencing violence is always worse than experiencing bad language . Just ask Rhys Jones' mum whether she'd have preferred her son's killer to have just launched a volley of abuse at him , rather than bullets .
No ......... but sometimes you've got to pick and choose your moment . There are a number of ways to skin a cat , and direct confrontation isn't always advisable .
Like a strongly worded letter to the Echo. I can understand the problems with confronting a racist at Woodison these days, the chances are that most of those sitting around are probably like minded cross burners themselves. It's best to say nowt I suppose.
