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Discussion in 'Current Affairs' started by ǝpısdılɟ, Oct 7, 2023.

  1. ǝpısdılɟ

    ǝpısdılɟ Registered User

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    Last week two disgusting individuals were arrested after a football match after taunting away fans using the image of a child that had died of cancer. Personally I hope they do a bit of time. Today over 200 Israeli’s were killed by terrorists and the scum in the link below are allowed to do this in London. Why is there no consistency with our laws.
    https://x.com/RachelRileyRR/status/1710730697797734429?s=20
     
  2. saint_clark

    saint_clark Up the Saints

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    Give them a chance mate, the two individuals at the football weren't arrested and imprisoned within a few hours.
     
  3. Stlducks

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    Not that I agree with them, and this is probably a very dumb question but what are they doing that would be illegal? Aren't they just picking a side in the war and waving flags to support it?

    Again, I'm not defending them or anything, I'm just curious what they are doing that would be illegal.
     
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    saint_clark Up the Saints

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    Same thing as the geezer in the Bradley Lowery case like OP said, intentionally causing harassment alarm or distress.
     
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    But can it be when they are supporting their side in a war? I think it's a horrible thing to do but if they support Palestine, can they legally get in trouble for the distasteful celebrating?

    The photo at the game was different. There are no two sides to that.
     
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    saint_clark Up the Saints

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    They don't really need to be waving their flags in the streets of London though, do they. It would be different if it was an organised event/rally, but a group of people getting together and roaming the streets? I think it absolutely comes under the umbrella of what I mentioned.
     
  7. SkyBlueMatt

    SkyBlueMatt The failed escape attempt

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    On a side note, Rachel Riley can get in the f*cking bin.
     
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    Deeply delicate situation gets ugly....again.

    In light of all this, it must be remembered that being anti-Israel does not make you anti-Jew. Conversely, being pro-Jew/Jewish in general does not make you Pro-Israel.

    I tend to have sympathy with the Palestinian people but that sympathy wanes when they go on the rampage and become no better (worse?) than the so called evil that commit atrocities on them.

    This has the potential to escalate into something really horrific. Two Israelis were apparently shot dead in Egypt, Hezbollah (Lebanon) has started shelling into Israel too and Egypt and Israel have shut their border.
     
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    StretfordEnd Fools can be kings
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    RedDevilsShinja In need of a new username

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    I agree. I do not see why showing support for Palestine should be clamped down on by police. This is a free country with freedom of expression and so long as they aren't harming anybody it is totally fine.

    City Hall in London is going to have a show of solidarity for Israel, so saying people who support Palestine cannot show support is utterly ridiculous.

    Anyway that is as far as I try to get involved with Israel/Palestine stuff. It's a quagmire mess that really requires a greater knowledge and understanding than many who hold strong opinions actually have.
     
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    Supporting Palestine is one thing, supporting Hamas, a terrorist group (according to the UK government) is quite another.
     
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    They were waving Palestinian flags. :shrug

    This is where I'm not going to get into too much of a discussion. I believe we have a right to freedom of expression in this country. People should be allowed to show support for Palestine. Showing support for Palestines struggles doesn't automatically make someone pro-Hamas.

    I don't think Rachel Riley and others calling for it to be clamped down on the basis it makes her uncomfortable is healthy at all.

    Why not? The City Hall is going to be turned into a massive Israeli flag tonight, whilst Israeli forces commit actions that will leave many innocent people dead too.
     
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    They were chanting "**** Israel".

    I agree though, it's too complex and too ancient a conflict to try and fathom.
     
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    So?
     
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    I would imagine that counts as 'hate speech' these days.
     
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    Perhaps, but think the biggest issue being raised by Riley was the flag waving and celebratory attitude.

    Human rights organisations have called Israel an apartheid state that commits many human rights abuses against Palestinian people. End of the day, why wouldn't people be angry towards the Israeli state?
     
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    They are obviously celebrating and showing support for the attacks and massive loss of life in Israel. Like you I am not clued up on all this shit either and I'd never claim to be this is beyond my understanding and comprehension. It just can't be a coincidence that these celebrations/marches waving the Palestine flags in major cities all over the world are happening directly after what's gone on. It can't be. I don't believe that anyway. In terms of laws like others have said it must fall under inciting hate and causing alarm and distress? What is it now? More than 700 dead and many kidnapped? Whatever side of the fence you're on nobody should be lending their support for all the unnecessary waste of life.
     
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    And capital cities are putting the Israeli flag up on monuments across Europe, as Israeli forces drop bombs across Gaza leading to many innocent lives lost. :shrug

    It cannot be one or the other. We as a free country cannot be telling people they cannot show support for Palestine when we are sticking the Israeli flag up on London's City Hall.

    Ultimately the showing of support goes way beyond what has happened suddenly these past few days. This conflict has a long history and a lot of abhorrent behaviour on both sides towards the other.
     
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    To clarify, I couldn't care less what Rachel Riley says about anything.
     
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