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Mafia FAQ

Discussion in 'Haxball and Mafia Forum' started by Guyett, Dec 2, 2014.

  1. Guyett

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    I'm just going to make this to help answer any questions about the game.

    First and foremost this is a game of an informed minority (Mafia) against an uninformed majority (Town)

    There is usually 1 mafia to every 4 or 5 town. (2 mafia in a 9 person game, 3 in a 13 person game ect)

    Mafia know each other and can communicate to each other on a separate site. Unless specified town do not know each other and cannot communicate with each other outside of the thread. There are other alignments such as third party roles like Serial Killers or Survivors or other Mafia like factions.

    Town win when all threats to the town are eliminated
    Mafia win when they outnumber town or nothing can stop this from happening. If there is another mafia faction or a serial killer the mafia must have them killed.
    Serial Killers win when everyone else is dead or nothing can stop this from happening.
    Survivors and other third parties have different win conditions that can be found on this Wiki

    The person running the game is a moderator, they are impartial. Any queries should be brought to their attention. They might make a mistake (they are human after all), if they do pm them (don't try make a scene in the thread)

    If you are dead or are not playing DO NOT POST

    When you are playing you must play to your win condition and most importantly, DON'T BE A DICK!

    There are roles that are in most games:

    Mafia Godfather
    Mafia Roleblocker
    Mafia Goon

    Town Doctor
    Town Cop (assume all cops are sane unless the game is announced as bastard)
    Vanilla Townie

    There are other roles that can be played.

    Games run on here are usually balanced and mostly normal. Unless the game is advertised as Bastard you can assume the game is balanced and fair and that the moderator won't lie to you.

    Regarding roles you should assume all actions are preformed over night unless your role pm specifies a day time action.
    The moderator processes all of the night actions at the same time following the pattern:


    Hide
    Bus
    Block
    Redirect
    Protect
    Kill
    Recruit
    Inspect

    The only ones that are really important for most games are
    Block -> Protect -> Kill -> Investigate

    Regarding Days and Nights it depends on the moderator. What seems to work well right now is:
    Day = 3 real life days (reduced to 2 real life days when half of the people are left alive)
    night = 12 hours


    Some terms:
    WIFOM- Circular reasoning.
    For example: Its day 4 and Guyett is still alive. Why haven't mafia killed him?
    It could be because he is infact mafia. It could be because scum are leaving him alive this long so town think he is mafia for still being alive so he then can get lynched.
    Another example:
    Guyett was killed over night. Guyett suspected LEF of being mafia. Is LEF mafia getting rid of Guyett because Guyett is on to LEF? Or is LEF town and being framed by mafia to make it look like scumLEF killed Guyett?

    LyLo - Lynch or Lose. In this scenario town have to lynch. If they don't lynch scum win. If they lynch town then Mafia win.
    For example there are 3 people left alive, 2 town and 1 scum
    Lynching town makes it 1 town and 1 mafia... mafia win
    No lynching makes it 2 town 1 mafia but after the mafia night kill its 1 town and 1 mafia... mafia win

    MyLo - Mislynch or Lose. In this scenario town will lose with a mislynch. Town can afford to no lynch,
    4 alive, 3 town and 1 scum
    No lynching makes it 3 town 1 mafia and after the mafia night kill its 2 town and 1 mafia... game continues
    Town lynch makes it 2 town 1 mafia and after the mafia night kill its 1 town and 1 mafia... mafia win

    OMGUS - Oh my god you suck
    Guyett votes Andrew
    Andrew votes in retaliation <--- thats an OMGUS vote

    RVS - Random Voting Stage. Normally people will start the game with some random votes to see if they can get a reaction or to kick the game off.

    Bussing - Mafia might "throw someone under the bus". This could be because they are a liability to the scum team or because the person doing the bussing will get an enormous amount of "town cred".

    Crumb - A hint or clue to someones role that they can reference.

    Hammer - the final vote needed to lynch someone (15 alive so 8 to lynch, the 8th vote is the hammer vote)

    Meta - This is slightly hard to define, think of it as an accumulation of behaviours and playstyles of a person depending on their role. So say Ollie is playing in a certain way you could look back at an older game and see that the last time he played like that he was mafia. Meta is something you build up over time and can be very useful to help read people.
     
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    Maybe a list of mafia terms would be worth adding too Guy.
     
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    Mafia Goon - Also known as an "Andrew". No one else is allowed to play this role. All D1 lynches from now on should be Andrew as he's the full-time Mafia Goon.
     
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    What were the odds of me being mafia goon 6 times in a row or whatever it was?
     
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    I dont know but its safe to say you will be town next game based on numbers.
     
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    Well I was right again this time. I said one of SL and Andrew would be scum the other town and I was right. So thats 3/3. I will be wrong eventually but I know what Im doing. Not my fault my head works in my head.
     
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    What are the odds of flipping 10 heads In a row?
     
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    Do you not understand the gambler's fallacy, or do you disagree with it?
     
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    1 in 2^10
    But after the 9th coin with all being heads the odds of the 10th coin being a heads is 1 in 2 not 1 in 2^10
     
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    Guyett if I told you that you could win 1,000,000 of any currency you want.

    All you had to do was flip a coin 10 times.

    But before you flipped you had to choose one of the following

    1) Ten straight heads.
    2) Ten straight tails.
    3) Any combination of heads and tails.

    Which are you choosing?
     
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    what is your point?
     
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    That I'm right.
     
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    about what?
    I'm not sure what point you're trying to get across here?
     
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    obviously the odds of in favour of choice 3 happening
     
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    This is simple maths.

    You bet someone that you can flip the coin 10 times and get heads every time.
    The odds are 1 in 1024.

    However if you saw someone flip a coin 9 times and get heads every time (the odds of that happening are 1 in 512) and you bet them on the next coin being heads the odds on that coin being heads is 1 in 2 (not 1 in 1024) as the previous flips have no influence on the current coin toss.
    Similarly in the mafia games the odds of Andrew being scum 3 games in a row were pretty long. But going into the 3rd game the odds of him being scum were the same as anyone else (him being scum in the previous 2 games had no influence on him being scum or town in the 3rd game)
     
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    :laugh: Kaboose.
     
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    I could care less about all that though. If someone just flipped a coin 9 times and it was heads every time, and then allowed me to bet on what the next flip would be I'm saying tails. And I might be wrong, but I know I've got a better chance of being right because of common sense.
     
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    No the odds of it being heads on that 10th flip is the same as the odds of it being tails because of maths
     
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    You can't be serious :laugh:

    Facts are it can be either 1/2 (possibly 3 if you count it landing on it's edge haha) your perception has no influence on the outcome which doesn't change so it's still 1/2 regardless. If you didn't know the previous 9 tosses and you were asked what are the odds of it being heads or tails, it's going to be 50/50. The common sense is that it's going to be 50%, previous tosses doesn't influence the potential outcome of the next toss.

    If there where 8 town and 2 mafia, there is an 80% chance that you will be town in each an ever draw as it's random so you could have 100 games and be town every game, it's unlikely but the fact is it's 80% chance each game and that doesn't change because each draw is at random. Not really hard to understand. Just because you have a 80% chance of being town in game 1, the chances of you being town in game 2 is still 80% regardless of what you perceive because that is the facts.
     

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