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The Trials and Tribulations of Todd

Discussion in 'Premier League' started by Redpelt, Aug 18, 2023.

  1. Redpelt

    Redpelt Registered User

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    I thought this would be a good thread to chart the misadventures of Todd.

    'Everything has gone wrong' - Chelsea plan under spotlight after Liverpool blow


    A former financial advisor to Manchester City has questioned Chelsea's approach to the Premier League’s profit and sustainability rules after they completed a £173m swoop for Moises Caicedo and Romeo Lavia.

    Chelsea landed Caicedo, 21, on Monday for a British transfer record £115m just eight months on from breaking it to sign Enzo Fernandez, and followed it up on Friday by confirming a £58m deal to sign highly-rated Southampton midfielder Lavia, 19, to take their spending since Todd Boehly and Clearlake Capital took over the club last year to more than £900m.

    The London side had beaten Liverpool to the punch when it came to acquiring Caicedo and Lavia, with the Reds having made a £111m bid for the Ecuadorian on Friday that was accepted by Brighton & Hove Albion before he decided on a move to Chelsea. The Reds had also seen a number of bids rejected by Southampton before reportedly agreeing a deal with the Saints only for the Belgian to opt, like Caicedo, for Chelsea.

    It made for a bruising week in the transfer market for Liverpool, although the £16.25m signing of Japanese international Wataru Endo on Friday from VfB Stuttgart and continued reported interest in Crystal Palace’s Cheick Doucoure and Bayern Munich’s Ryan Gravenberch has brought some optimism.

    But the aggressive spending at Stamford Bridge, largely built upon offering deals of seven, eight and nine years to young talents so as to spread the annual amortised cost (transfer fees are accounted for by dividing the guaranteed sum by the length of a deal), has caught the attention of football and posed the question of quite how Chelsea, with so much outlay in the last two windows, could continue in the same manner this summer and outgun the likes of Liverpool.

    Chelsea’s net spend for this transfer window stands at a little over £100m after the sales of the likes of Kai Havertz, Mason Mount, Mateo Kovacic, Christian Pulisic, Kalidou Koulibaly and Ruben Loftus-Cheek. But not all of those players have been sold for much profit given their remaining book value, although the sales of academy products such as Mount, Loftus-Cheek, Ethan Ampadu and potentially Lewis Hall can be counted as pure profit from an accounting perspective.

    But while there have been exits, former Manchester City financial advisor Stefan Borson, who now serves as CEO and general counsel to a Plc that deals with accounting issues, has questioned Chelsea's approach to the P&S regulations that limit allowable losses for clubs to £105m over a three-year period.
    Borson said: You're talking about a club that's never made a profit in 20 years. They have historically operated at a loss and filled that gap by selling footballers.

    “Then what's happened is Todd Boehly's come along and I just want to say very clearly [he] knows exactly what he's doing. Nobody would deny the quality of his team, of the individual. There's no question.

    “There's nothing that any of us can say on the outside that they haven't thought about and that's why I posit that this is all part of a strategy to accelerate the success of Chelsea.

    “That's partly because we all know in the background that Boehly, for all of his business success and wealth, has overpaid for Chelsea by a very considerable amount.

    “It happens. Wealthy people sometimes make mistakes and he's made a mistake in terms of what he paid for the club. He now wants to accelerate the success of the club.

    "Since he's purchased it everything has gone wrong. He's picked the wrong managers, he's overpaid for those managers, on the pitch they've failed, the shirt sponsor is empty, he's got no sleeve sponsor, he's got no European football at all. He's not just got no Champions League, which is worth £100m per season, he's got nothing. He doesn't even have the Europa games to fill the stadium for five, six, seven, eight matchdays, which would be worth maybe £2m per game.

    "At that point, any sensible operator that's concerned about Financial Fair Play slams the brakes on in terms of spending and say 'we are now going into a period where we have stringent rules and we need to take care'. Instead, they have accelerated the acquisitions."


    On the other side of the argument it is stated that Chelsea haven’t broken any rules and their gambit of offering longer contracts to reduce amortisation costs annually on the balance sheet, something that has been limited to five years by UEFA and that the Premier League could follow but which does not impact Chelsea right now, is a legitimate strategy and one that Boehly has used in the past through his part ownership of the Los Angeles Dodgers baseball team.

    Chelsea have moved out more than £220m of talent this window but will be pursuing additional exits while having one eye on adding to their squad before the end of the month. It is a transfer ploy that hasn’t really been seen in English football before and one where Chelsea are placing a great many of their chips on this talented group flourishing and achieving success to deliver lucrative prize money and to maximise revenues.

    Time will tell if it is a strategy that will pay competitive and financial dividends, but it is one that likely won’t chime with what Fenway Sports Group have planned for their future growth plans for Liverpool.


    Time will tell ,but it's playing with fire. That's the burny orange flame that you kept ignoring your mums pleas not to touch Todd
     
  2. Lugna rambler

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    the biggest single question any Chelsea fan should ask is where is the money coming from.

    they made a real lost in the last accounts of over 120mil and that's going to accelerate.

    where will that loss end up? clearlake or Chelsea?
     
  3. Dunk's Donuts

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    Did you do the obnoxious bolding of random bits of the article yourself or is that just a weird formatting issue from copying it over?
     
  4. Redpelt

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    Yeah all my own work ,for people who just like to read the bullet points.
     
  5. Redpelt

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    I just don't get the lack of concern from Chelsea fans ,this would genuinely unsettle me if it was happening at my club.
     
  6. Borussia Teeth

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    I'm not sure how he can sleep at night.
     
  7. Lugna rambler

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    club debts

    • Chelsea F.C - £1.38 billion ($1.67 billion)
    • Tottenham Hotspur - £726 million ($876.77 million)
    • Manchester United F.C. - £424 million ($512.06 million)
    • Brighton & Hove Albion F.C - £360 million ($434.76 million)
    • Newcastle United - £338 million ($408.20 million)
    • Leicester City F.C - £237 million ($286.22 million)
    • Liverpool F.C - £232 million ($280.18 million)
    • West Ham United F.C - £89 million ($107.48 million)
    • Southampton - £62 million ($74.88 million)
    • Everton - £58 million ($70.05 million)
    you tell me where that debt resides and what predictions we have about the impact of the spending.

    for 2023 cheslea reported a net loss of 123 million pounds but proudly declared a profit on player trading due to selling players.

    to what level of debt do they need to go to start being slightly worried.

    there's two clubs listed above thst got relegated and should be really worried.
     
  8. Dunk's Donuts

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    Where did you grab those numbers from out of interest? I thought our last accounts showed us having £400m of debt so it'd be quite nice if the numbers are accurate and we've paid £40m of that off recently
     
  9. Redpelt

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    Jesus ,I have no idea how they would consolidate that level of debt ?
     
  10. Lugna rambler

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    i just googled chelsea fc debt and that popped up. I have no idea how accurate they are or not relatively

    Top 10 Premier League clubs with the most debt as of 2023
     
  11. StretfordEnd

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    The Manchester United figure seems woefully inaccurate by at least £200 million.
     
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  12. Lugna rambler

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    I was wondering about that as it seemed low ;)

    New Chelsea FC owners raise £800mn of debt to reshape club | Financial Times

    I found this which outlines the lines of credit opened to fund this so it looms like they are spending banks lending that are not on the club but it sounds complicated.

    I presume this all ends up as debt to leverage
     
  13. King_Kenny

    King_Kenny JUSTICE FOR THE 97!

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    Although I do hate the Blue shite they do kind of have a point about them not being able to spend and Chelsea can :laugh: Chelsea literally have 20+ times their debt.


    How are Brighton on so much debt anyway? With their business model of buying players for £50, selling to Chelsea for half a billion ;)
     
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    All our debt is interest free to our chairman and mainly come from building a new stadium, a new training ground & the money to get us in to and established in the Premier League. Think there was talk of a lot of being converted in the shares too, but not entirely sure how that works.

    £360m debt isn’t too bad when you consider we’ve sold not far off £300,000,000 worth of players since the last time those lists were updated :whistle
     
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    King_Kenny JUSTICE FOR THE 97!

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    Pfft, Chelsea will clear your debt for you, next transfer window mate ;)
     
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    The last set of accounts are from 21/22 (the season we sold white and burn), and so we haven't seen the impact of Chelsea paying us ~£200m for cucurella, potter and caicedo yet.

    That's all to say that they may have cleared a decent chunk of it for us already :laugh:
     
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    Manchester City would be "under scrutiny like you cannot imagine" if they were spending like Chelsea, says boss Pep Guardiola.

    Chelsea's £53m signing of Romeo Lavia means they have now spent more than £850m since owner Todd Boehly took over last summer.

    But Guardiola said his side would not get away with spending those sums in the same amount of time.

    "What I'm saying is that if we did it we're dead," Guardiola said.

    "For Chelsea it's easier than for us. I have no criticism, they can do what they want. But we would be under scrutiny like you cannot imagine.

    "I wouldn't be sitting here if we spent what Chelsea have spent in two transfer windows - you [media] would kill me."

    Chelsea have spent about £323m on eight players so far this transfer window, more than any other side in Europe, and have broken the record for the highest summer spend by any club in the world - eclipsing Real Madrid's £292m in 2019.

    The Blues have spent £857.3m on transfers since Boehly took over in May 2022 while City's transfer spend in the same time frame is £233.2m.

    City's spending has been scrutinised since Sheikh Mansour's takeover in 2008 and the club are facing charges from the Premier League of 115 breaches of financial rules.

    They faced similar allegations of Financial Fair Play breaches in 2020 when a two-year ban from European competitions was overturned by the Court of Arbitration for Sport following an investigation by Uefa.


    'Man City would be dead if we spent like Chelsea'
     
  18. Lugna rambler

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    so basically he will convert the lot into equity and make it zero when it suits him.

    this is the question that Chelsea fans need to be asking. do they understand where the debt is going?
     
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    We've made well over 100m in sales these past 2 weeks.
     
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    I find it ironic they reported roman and now are acting like a money printing machine, I expect at some point they will be under an investigation.
     

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