If you’re talking about size of club, not gonna argue we’re anywhere near what Forest / Ipswich etc are. We aren’t. That’s fair.
By this logic Preston North end are a proper club. All clubs have roots and history and are proper clubs upland until they get sold out and transformed into something else. Mk dons is my example of what could be don't to clubs. Maybe one day city will move to be based in Qatar and Newcastle to jeddah. I think I'd oerfer proper clubs like Bournemouth and Brentford or Ipswich, Coventry or Charlton
Think Forest have spent longer out the top flight than in it also, both them and Ipswich have had great periods in their history (understatement)but not sure they fall into the traditional top flight club category, will depend on who’s deciding.
I’m just happy that we’re no longer the example of a small club in the Premier League. Piss off Minnows
This is a good example of why I think the Forest lot are how they are. Because Brighton were tinpot regular lower league opposition playing in a shed when I were a lad, I'll probably always see you as "on of us" along with Brentford, despite the obvious and objective strides you've both taken. We all get stuck in our ways of thinking I guess. That'll likely apply to us as well if and when Foley gets around to his plans for our shed. We've made our living off of self perceived massive clubs running themselves like a basket case, so long may that continue.
We're still pretty tinpot tbh. People will notice again when we spend the next few years in the bottom half after our brief stint as a good side
Yes it's been amazing the last couple of months - as we are a small club in mid table, you are virtually airbrushed out. Often match reviews won't even mention us after announcing what match they are reviewing. Unless we are top 7 or in the relegation zone, you become invisible instantly.
Yeah but we'd have more fans in the Vitality if we had a bigger ground obviously. Not saying how much bigger, but bigger. This comes across as a bit patronising. I've been defending Forest in front of my Bmth mates over the last few years after knowing a Forest ST holder for years and living there for a while...but stuff like this just illustrates why Forest aren't that well liked generally by our fanbase (on social media/ message boards etc).
a number of sides have come up, had a good spell in the top flight, then gone back to whence they came. some have done better than others, a number like to look at how many years across the past century and more but honestly you may as well ignore most of pre-Premier League times as being top flight decades and decades ago and barely winning a coconut (if at all) is hardly massive anyway, just a reflection of how things were. Bolton (League One, last top flight 2012?) I remember on here when they were doing quite well, talk of CL blah blah blah, some of their fans all "combined XI with Liverpool we'd have 4 or more players in it" kind of thing. One thing to be up and around Europe ie 5th-9th, massive step up to CL as villa may find and enjoy for one outing Charlton (League One, last top flight 2007?) not disimilar to Bolton, maybe not quite as up themselves as some Bolton fans got, but was always destined to end with bubble burst Wigan (League One, last top flight 2013?) actually won a cup in spite of more hype about other teams mentioned already and to come, but went down same season. did at least stick one on citeh Sunderland (Championship, last top flight 2017) may not have ridden high in the top flight but stayed up a fair while, same as the clubs mentioned to date in going down and as low as League One so for any claims of not being tinpot and being big clubs as many might say of any club it didn't stop them sinking - Oxford were top flight until they lost Aldridge and others, and Maxwell proved s*t does float, and been right down to conference so isn't difficult to go from lofty heights to rock bottom or near Middlesbrough (Championship, last top flight 2017) not the only one to 'boast' an England manager from recent past managers, had a fair time in the top flight - even runners-up in the UEFA Cup back in 2006. Gotta love some wiki pages, their's cites "one of the founding members of the Premier League" as if that is when football started! I could include many others, Leicester spent quite a long period outside the top flight and then a fair stint upon return including a league title win, if anyone wants to argue (pointless) as to X is bigger than Y then where does being in the top flight like covvy city were for 35+ years compare to say a side spent less years in it but won the league..... most will shape their argument to suit what they want 'the answer' to be ie "big club" = great fans, duration in top flight, blah blah blah, others will talk trophies and ultimately football is about winning trophies even if it is a job for many footballers that is what you're playing for, isn't just for the pleasure even if it might be should any of us have been that lucky (at which point that would change of course) but bottom line is not everyone can win, like the Grand National the race will include (likely anyway) deaths, also rans but only one winner Are Brighton 'bigtime'? (to stay) I've alway had a soft spot for them but realism says football is all about the money and plenty of 'bigger' clubs (fanbase, stadium, experience etc) have plenty to tap into and the dream is likely to end sooner or later for most dreams outside of the most established and even they aren't 'safe - six ever presents in the top flight, Liverpool, Everton, Man Utd, Tottenham, Chelsea and Arsenal with villa losing their status a few years back (think that's the right names, have doubts re chelski but the rest are nailed on)
Umm of those "ever presents" Spurs were promoted with us in '77, Manchester United were promoted in '74 and Chelsea were promoted in '89
Chelsea's wasn't even that long ago In fact technically there's no side that's never been relegated. I'm sure the Arsenal fans will shout that they've never been relegated, but that's a lie, they were relegated in 1913 but reinstated to the top flight as a technicality.
We were champions of England less than 26 years after turning professional I believe. I wonder if we were considered the Wigan or Bournemouth of the day.
All the ‘bigger club’ stuff is nonsense. How big’s your ground, what size is your town, how big is the attendance etc.. All relative. Nobody cares. The only thing that matters is what you’ve won. Medals on the table as they say. It’s the only comparison worth making.
Agreed, and not many clubs can say they've won the Zenith Data Systems Cup. That's what sets us big clubs apart IMO.
The magic period seems to be 70s and 80s, where that order was the "traditional and proper" standing of clubs.
I wonder which Town/City underperforms the worst when you look at population compared to success? Colchester must be up there, almost the same size as Ipswich but the club has almost always been unrelentingly sh*t. Bristol I suppose is the one that gets talked about but they do have 2 clubs and City normally do alright plus Rovers aren’t that bad. Bradford maybe?
