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American Turkey Shoot - Guns Don't Kill People, Americans Do - American Domestic Mass killings

Discussion in 'Current Affairs' started by Andrew, Dec 2, 2015.

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  1. LEF

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    The problem is in countries where it's easy for criminals to access guns, it just means that innocent people are left unable to defend themselves against criminals who don't play by the same rules.

    In the UK it's more difficult than most places to get hold of guns, because it's an island with strict measures in place regarding gun control. The problem there is that people have no allowance for self-defensive tools. Even pepper spray etc is forbidden, so it creates the same imbalance, although one not as deadly as exists in America.
     
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  2. Lugna rambler

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    hmmmm. sure this is why the usa is by far the highest gun death tallys.

    The uk has a stabbing problem not a gun problem.

    Criminals are not running about with guns

    Nothing to do with being an island. Its the law and its enforced.

    Go to little ireland next door and theres major issues because they don't enforce laws and there's gangsters shooting each other as they can walk the guns in. HOWEVER they are not doing armed robberies or run of the mill breaking and entering using guns because they don't need to.

    people do not need self defence , they are going about with knives which are OFFENSIVE weapons in some areas but for the majority they never encounter danger.

    giving people more offensive weapons as defensive feel good sops only needs to more and more violence and deaths. you can go to any school or any mall or any walmart and see guns and be shot by guns. This simply doens't happen in countries where criminals can get a gun. The risk in carrying one for no reason is too great.
     
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  3. Jonny Ninja

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    ironically you are still statistically more likely to be stabbed to death in the states than in the UK
     
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  4. Marty_LFC

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    STILL #1 BABY!!! EAT IT KING GEORGE, ANOTHER L FOR Y'ALL!

    USA! USA! USA!
     
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    :laugh:
     
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    Missouri Rule Change Would Allow Senators to Challenge Each Other to a Duel - Newsweek

    To be fair though, this is still only the ramblings of one lunatic.
     
    #1686 Tshabs, Jan 26, 2024
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  7. Jason

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    Kind of surprising that it's not 18 already but a lot more people in Florida will potentially be eligible to own AR-15's



    Edit* Not sure if the law is more lenient on other types of guns in Florida. Probably..
     
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  8. saint_clark

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    Easier access to guns for people of school age in one of the states that (from an outsider) seems to have more school shootings than most. Good job guys.
     
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    It seems buying a child a gun isn't as terrific an idea as some US parents imagine.

    A jury has found a Michigan mother guilty of involuntary manslaughter for failing to stop her son from carrying out a deadly school shooting.

    Jennifer Crumbley, 45, is the first US parent convicted of manslaughter over a mass shooting carried out by their child.

    Prosecutors accused her of being negligent in allowing her son to have a gun, and ignoring warnings signs.

    Her husband, James, is facing a separate trial on the same charges.

    He has pleaded not guilty.

    Their son, now 17, is serving life in prison for killing four classmates at Oxford High School in Michigan on 30 November 2021.

    Seven people were also injured in the shooting.

    The judge, speaking to jurors, said this was likely "the hardest thing you've ever done".

    Ms Crumbley appeared emotionless and stared straight down as the verdict was read in Oakland County court on Tuesday.

    She was charged with four counts of involuntary manslaughter, each carrying a maximum sentence of 15 years.

    Some relatives of those killed in the shooting expressed relief over the verdict.

    "The People spoke!" Buck Myre, the father of Tate Myre, a 16-year-old killed in the shooting, told the BBC in a statement.

    "You can agree or disagree with the people, but this is how the system is supposed to work."

    The question at the heart of the trial was whether the mother could have foreseen and prevented the deadly crime.

    Ms Crumbley and her husband James bought the gun their son used just days before the shooting.

    They were charged by police within days of the killings. Police had to search for the pair and found them in an industrial building in Detroit following a tip from the public.

    For more than two years they have been kept in a county jail, unable to make bail.

    Initially, the parents were supposed to be tried together but in November sought separate trials. James Crumbley is scheduled to go on trial in March.

    At her trial, prosecutors presented evidence that Ethan Crumbley had wanted mental health help and complained of hallucinations, but said his parents did not get him treatment. Ms Crumbley said on the stand that she did not think her son had mental health problems.

    The morning of the shooting, the parents cut short a school meeting about a disturbing drawing their son had made to go to work and declined to take the then 15-year-old home.

    School officials sent him back to class without checking his backpack, which contained a gun.

    Just hours later, he killed Hana St Juliana, 14, Myre, 16, and Madisyn Baldwin and Justin Shilling, both 17.

    Some experts have suggested the cases against the Crumbleys could lead to more charges for parents of children who commit mass shootings.

    Stephen J Morse, a professor of law and psychiatry at the University of Pennsylvania, said he disagreed with the verdict, arguing that because Ethan Crumbley had pleaded guilty, he was the only one responsible for the shooting.

    "I understand that she was not necessarily the best mother in the world, but this is not a crime," he said.

    Mr Morse said he believed the decision could set a bad precedent, causing courts to look for "scapegoats" in similar situations.

    Others say this case was so unusual that it is unlikely to have wider ramifications.

    "I don't fear that this is going to open the floodgates to parents being charged in a run of the mill case, if there is such a thing," said Frank Vandervort, a University of Michigan clinical professor of law.

    "I think the facts of this case are so unique and sort of extreme."

    Jennifer Crumbley: Michigan shooter's mother found guilty of manslaughter

    Four teenage lives ended in such a mindless manner. :(
     
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    Not that I think this is a bad thing (parents should be responsible for buying their kids guns) but once again it’s skirting around the issue. The problem is easy availability and gun culture. Anyone with half a brain cell knows this! This will do nothing to stop mass shootings, it’s just an extra person or 2 to lock up and hold accountable after the fact

    and I also doubt t this is the end of it. I can see this being appealed and possibly overturned unfortunately. There will be plenty of people lining up giving out cash to support these 2 negligent scumbags
     
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  11. GrantCFC

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    Apparently that mother was having swinger parties with the Fire Department during work hours, hence why she couldn't pick up her son from School on countless occasions he was acting up.

    ****ing mental.
     
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    Link ?
     
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    One dead and 21 injured in a shooting in Kansas City during the parade for the Super Bowl champions.
     
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    Watched CNN last night and within a couple of hours they'd already moved on to other news. Says it all really.
     
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    With so many people on the streets the shooter must’ve been a terrible shot. It’s incredible that more people weren’t killed
     
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    Not sure if they all had guns but there were three arrests. As you say, quite surprising there weren't more casualties given the numbers in attendance.

    Stateside World Cup in two years. Bodes well.
     
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    Americans seem to have a real problem with crowds. It seems any large gathering of people ends in violence over there, even when those gathering are all there supporting a happy occassion. Maybe thats why festivals never took off in the US like they did in europe.
     
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    While I agree with the sentiment, Coachella, ULTRA, EDC, Bonnarroo, Lollapallooza, Austin City Limits, Governor's Ball, Head in the Clouds, etc etc would all beg to differ about how festivals never took off here.
     
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