JOSE OUT!!!! LEVY OUT!!!!

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  1. StretfordEnd

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    Jose Mourinho would cost Tottenham £25 million to sack him and pay up the remaining two years of his contract.

    Spurs chairman Daniel Levy is expected to give Mourinho a stay of execution to see if he can deliver the club's first trophy since 2008 in next month's Carabao Cup final and a top-four finish.

    But with fans in open revolt against the manager's sterile tactics after the dismal Europa League exit at the hands of Dinamo Zagreb, he has almost run out of road.

    Mourinho, whose salary is believed to be in excess of £12m-a-year, gave his players the silent treatment after the calamitous defeat in Croatia.

    He claimed a change of attitude was required to save their season and raged: “I have this very bad feeling because maybe for some people, football is a job or a way to make money.”

    And captain Hugo Lloris hinted broadly at dressing room discord, branding the 3-0 defeat a “disgrace” and adding: “It is a reflection of what is going on in the club. I hope everyone in the changing room feels responsible. We have to respect the badge.”

    Tottenham's £1 billion new stadium and the Covid-19 pandemic have strained Tottenham's finances.

    Levy, who has remained supportive of his under-fire manager, is understood to be reluctant to pull the trigger, not least because Spurs would have to find a huge lump sum.

    But patience among the supporters is exhausted with Tottenham knocked out of Europe after squandering a two-goal lead against a side whose coach was in prison, out of the FA Cup and eighth in Premier League.

    The hashtag #JoseOut was trending on Twitter and defeat at Aston Villa on Sunday night will intensify the pressure on Levy to act.


    Jose Mourinho sack would cost Tottenham £25million as Daniel Levy's plans emerge
     
  2. SamB_SCFC

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    Difficult to sack him at that price and no Champions League football next season.
     
  3. upper90

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    i'm starting to think we're all actually the suckers and mourinho has simply grown content with collecting severance upon severance
     
  4. Jason

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    A friend asked me if Mourinho is done as a manager last night and I said no. I think his downfall is being a little overstated.

    If we call him a more anonymous Mr M and try to be more objective about it, he isn't doing a *bad* job. He's actually done OK.

    He's suffering the 'success' of the previous manager and I think there is a lack of perspective in where Tottenham actually should be. We're 3 points off of 5th and if you said judge him in May, rather than March, we may well find ourselves finishing the season similarly to last season: an acceptable 6th place finish.

    The problem for Mr M is that whilst he's doing OK, I think you could put any other manager in charge to do the same job. We arguably saw proof of that with Tim Sherwood who was woefully out of his depth and still matched Jose's 6th place finish of last season.

    If this was a rookie manager I don't think it'd be considered such a crisis but you have to factor everything else in.

    He is paid an absurd salary, he had a really strong transfer window, he has underwhelmed in the cups he was promised to deliver on and he's done it playing largely negative football. I think he's fortunate to see the season out.

    The only thing saving his job is Covid. Had the league cup final been in February as it normally is, I think he'd be out of a job today.

    It's a shame because I like a lot about Mourinho and I do still think he's a good manager but you can't justify the return he's delivered.

    I don't necessarily believe any other manager would have had us performing better but it's also fair to say no other manager could have demanded the salary and transfer window afforded to him in his time at Spurs.

    Ultimately he's performed at Tottenham's standard and we could have employed a number of alternatives to do the same job. I think Levy is showing a rare kindness in giving him the league cup final.
     
  5. superyids

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    i think mourinho is a genius. a skilled thespian!!

    between (inevitably) ourselves, man utd, chelsea and other clubs.... i'd love to know what he's pocketed from severance fees alone. i bet it's around £100m.
     
  6. MrLeeLemon

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    Does winning the League Cup keep him in the job going into next season?
     
  7. Jason

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    I think so.

    Post Zagreb rumours are it'll make no difference.
     
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    He reportedly had it on his toes with a cool £14 million when United gave him the boot.
     
  9. Jason

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    I think it's a little disrespectful to suggest he's in it for the money / severance pay. He's a born winner.

    To include Chelsea and United in that rhetoric is absurd given he had success at both. By all means question his return but I think it's incredibly unfair to question his integrity and commitment.

    I've no doubt that result on Thursday hurt his pride and ego. Probably moreso than many in our squad.

    Putting aside results and his style of football, it's clear as day that he's a football person imo and that he has a huge love for the game.
     
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    I mean if he wins a trophy that would be the seventh job in a row he has won silverware in.

    Not sure I can remember a manager ending their career and hanging their hat on a bunch of top 4 finishes tbf.
     
  11. Jason

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    It's a big if but if he does then he's done what he was brought in to do.

    You think it'd have to be that City final though. I think he might get the benefit of starting next season but I don't know that he'd survive long enough to reach a cup final next season.
     
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    I don't know how transfer business works with Spurs, beyond that amazon show.

    But do they really want to keep building the side for Mourinho if they don't really see a future with him. But then who are the obvious replacements? Eddie Howe is the favourite currently, and I think that would be a disaster.
     
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    He's not in it for the money, he's in it for himself. He won't bring through youth players or think a few years ahead when bringing players in, it's all for 'now'. I have to admit I didn't like him at Chelsea when he was a 'breath of fresh air' and I didn't like him at United. It was good to win the Euroflops Thursday Cup but it wasn't good that United were in it in the first place.
     
  14. Pagnell

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    I don't want to say I told you so.....but....
     
  15. Jason

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    Transfer activity will be minimal anyway. Sell to buy, one in - one out.

    The next manager is irrelevant to me tbh. As I've said throughout a number of threads, over a number of years.. I think there has to be some realism with Spurs.

    When you're competing with more prestigious and attractive clubs in Arsenal, United and Liverpool.. Plus City and Chelsea's riches I think people need to step back and ask what a realistic achievement with Spurs is.

    I think people are dismissing candidates as not good enough to take us back to the heights Poch reached and ignoring what right Tottenham really have to be at that level.

    Howe isn't going to take us to that next level but I don't know who else would do any better tbh. That's not me endorsing Howe by any means but I don't know where this Spurs team were ever going to go but backwards once Poch left. Overachieving every season was unsustainable.

    I thought Jose was our best option when appointed but I couldn't see how he'd ever succeed here in relation to what would be deemed successful.

    The curveball was the summer. I didn't anticipate that backing that he received. Jose has us where I largely expected us to be before he took over but I still think we could get any other manager to have us in the same position.

    A big salary, a big transfer window and four cup exits before the QF stage are too important to overlook. He's had luxuries no other manager would have been afforded if they'd been appointed instead.

    Maybe I've fallen under his spell but I haven't seen that Jose at Spurs. I genuinely believe he has reflected on mistakes from previous roles and we've seen less of the stereotypical Mourinho. He's afforded a lot of youngsters opportunities this season, the cup runs help of course, and I genuinely see a lot off the pitch that has probably enhanced my opinion of the man.

    It's all irrelevant though. Even giving him the benefit of the doubt, first and foremost your job is to get results. His record is underwhelming.

    I think criticising his record is fine but I think, if we look strictly at his time at Tottenham, that judging his character is harsh.

    I don't see the same selfish Mourinho of the past. I've quite liked the man tbh, his football not so much.

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    Final note. Whilst I agree you should never have been in that competition, I don't think it was him who put you there was it? He took over a Europa League team.
     
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    i would love to be fired from my job.... told i'm not up to scratch and then be given a £50,000 odd severance fee. :laugh: :laugh:
     
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    He's the wrong man doing the wrong job at Spurs imo.

    Mourinho throughout his career has come into a club with a squad on the cusp of success. Chelsea, Inter, Real, Chelsea....United is a bit iffy but he won a Europa with them and 'squeezed' a 2nd out of them.

    This Spurs team already peaked with that CL final, I think psychologically that was the mountain. They aren't ready to succeed, they already have in relative terms. Even just reaching the final is an incredible achievement for Spurs.

    I think Spurs need at least 7 new intelligent forward thinking signings. This isn't the kind of project Mourinho has ever taken on. It's not a case of him not being good enough, we don't know if he's capable because he's never done it.

    Spurs need to stop focusing on trying to squeeze a bit more out of what they got and rebuild something new. No squad lasts forever, and parts of this one was playing together in 2017. That's four seasons ago, you've got to change it up. But also be inspired by how that squad came together. Outside of Sissoko & Lamela, not a single one of that XI cost more than £25m.

    As a club, stick to knowing what you know you're good at and go big at the right time.
     
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  18. Jason

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    I'm not suggesting he stays. I wanted him gone Thursday night.

    I will defend him to some extent though as people want to trot out the same storyline with Mourinho regardless of the reality.

    I think he's been much less divisive and has generally managed Tottenham with a lot of class. Even Thursday night he was the first to apologise for the result because he knows himself that it wasn't good enough.

    The squad did need freshening up but that process has began. We're a vastly different team to that of three / four years ago. A handful have survived but most have since moved on.

    The rebuild is under way and most Spurs fans were happy with the summer transfer window as it addressed a few weak areas in the squad that really cost us in 2019. Notably bringing in two new full backs and a defensive midfielder.

    Whilst Jose is inexperienced at that rebuild project, I have no doubt he's still good at what he does and I'd have been willing to afford him the benefit of the doubt to see if he could do it.

    There have to be signs of improvement during that rebuild though and we just haven't seen it.

    He's had the luxury of some solid signings plus the benefit of a reinvigorated N'Dombele. That's excluding having Son and Kane at their very best.

    Whilst you could argue it's a work in progress, the final nail in the coffin is his salary and style of football. The progress may well come under Mourinho but he's lost the fans so it's hard to see him surviving beyond the summer.

    A league cup win may redeem him but the likelihood is we'll lose so his days are numbered.

    It's a shame. It hasn't worked but I think any criticism he gets should at least be managerial rather than personal because people don't like him.

    His flaws this season have been tactical and motivational rather than his personality.
     
  19. StretfordEnd

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    Whilst he's crap at building a squad he's great at spending money. He bought 10 players at United, spending £362 million in the process. I'm not going to go through the United signings in the Spurs forum but suffice it to say 3 were crap, 5 aren't at the club anymore and only 3 would probably start in the current team. In the (losing) 2018 FA Cup Final Mourinho's team contained 8 players that were at the club when he became manager 2 years earlier.
     
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    Has he been sacked yet?
     

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