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The Manager Sack Race

Discussion in 'Premier League' started by RedDogChris, Sep 4, 2022.

  1. King_Kenny

    King_Kenny JUSTICE FOR THE 97!

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    £370m spent in the last three seasons to be fair, thats a lot and thats with Barnes being undisclosed? Sure he cost a good £30m+ so £400m or thereabout. A lot of their buys seemed to have gone under the radar.

    Recouped virtually nothing.
     
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  2. MrLeeLemon

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    It is pretty wild that despite the state of the transfer market over the years, Andy Carroll is still Newcastle United's record sale. :laugh:
     
  3. Red Tide

    Red Tide Concilio et Labore

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    Tuchel was sacked by Boehly from Chelsea after winning them the Champions League, UEFA Super Cup, and the FIFA Club World Cup so why would he make Tuchel manager again?

    For some reason, Tuchel does not get on with club owners, PSG, Chelsea and now Bayern seem to not like him.
     
  4. MagpieBee

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    Fair enough, didn’t realise it had been that much! They’ve had some decent buys but I was struggling to remember who they’d bought for that much!
     
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    The recent report that Man Utd had the most expensive squad in 2023

    The European Club Finance and Investment Landscape (uefa.com)

    Newcastle 17th in terms of revenue, 12th in terms of transfer costs. 9 of the 20 most expensive squads 2023 are Premier League, may have flown under the radar of some (if you didn't look or read it somewhere) that villa and hammers are among that 20...

    Seagulls are 20th in revenue
     
  6. TheDarkKnight

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    doesn't take much to spend £300m+ these days, even 6-7 players at £40m+ will do it (unless exactly £40m each to beat some wiseacre to it)

    23/24
    Tonali £55m
    Barnes £38m
    Livramento £35m
    Minteh £6m

    That's £134m* on just four players

    22/23
    Isak £63m
    Gordon £45m
    Botman £35m
    Targett £15m
    Pope £10m

    £168m*, already up to £302m* cross two seasons and 9 players


    *figures may vary according to source, and this isn't every single signing, the point isn't accountancy simply demonstration who, (roughly) how much and how easy it is to spend £300m these days.... 3 of those 9 players reportedly costing only £31m combined of the £302m
     
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    honestly little time for Howe, think if Newcastle want to advance they need someone with a bit more about them. He may do a decent job, but for me he's far more a Roy Evans than a Jurgen Klopp, and Evans did a pretty good job (you do have to consider that back then there wasn't a "big six" otherwise in modern day terms that wouldn't have ended with top 3 and 4 finishes but bit further down)
     
  8. Lugna rambler

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    Well I liked howe at brounemouth but he couldn't organise a defence to save himself. At newcastle he is the exact opposite.

    I get a whiff of small time off his ambition and approach. same as moys at utd or rodgers at LFC and so forth. Just seems to not have the same level of ambition that the club might have judgin from the cash made available.

    Some of the buys are quite ok. Pope, Botman, Isak, tonali, even livaramento. Some not so much (barnes and gordon are not up to the job for that money)
     
  9. Super_horns

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    Barnes has been injured a lot which hasn't helped and Gordon has been one of their best players I thought?

    Maybe paid over the odds but he has done well for them.

    Agree others have been good buys too.
     
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    I don't rate Gordon. he spends 90% of his life falling over.

    I liked Barnes at Leicester pre injury but he hasn't been the same imo
     
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    Should Arteta go if he fails to win a trophy again?
     
  12. Borussia Teeth

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    I'd give him one more season, if Arsenal sack him now then they're fishing from the same pool of candidates as Liverpool, Barca and Bayern, and probably aren't as attractive an option right now for the type of person who is operating at that level.
     
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    Would be unwise.
    He has achieved steady progress every year & would have won the league if not for a doped team that cheats.
     
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    He'll have the job as long as he wants on the basis we don't go backwards, i.e, drop out the Champions League.
     
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    Surely at some point he'll have to deliver? It's looking like two seasons where Arsenal have imploded when the title was in their hands, if the same happens again next year and the year after that then I'd have thought the board would look to bring in someone who can actually push them over the finish line.
     
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    This is the same board (kind of) that persisted with Arsene Wenger waaaaaay after his sell by date.

    At the end of the day, we’re still owned by American businessmen who I think are happy to keep the status quo if things are ok. I’d place making the top 4 a minimum requirement met as ‘ok’, much like it was under Wenger. Until he wasn’t making that requirement :shrug
     
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    What do you think personally?
     
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    Pagnell MISERABLE C**T

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    He's spent over £600m in 5 years. Given that expenditure, at what point is one domestic cup in his first season not going to be enough?
     
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    I was always targeting consolidation of the Champions League this season. I’ve watched so many teams over the last couple of years break into the CL and then drop straight back out. Look at United and Newcastle this season, Spurs last season, United again in the 18/19 season. For me, consolidation and a decent CL cup run was the aim. Exactly like Liverpool in 17/18.

    It was a pleasant surprise to see us fight back into title contention through February and March.

    If I was offered two points off first and in the quarter final of the CL in the middle of April at the start of the season, I would have snatched your hand off.

    I said a few weeks ago that we do need to start winning trophies but next season onwards for me. Arteta has done a top job building the club up from where it was. A first season of plateauing won’t warrant the sack from me. So for me on the basis we stay in the CL but remain potless, I won’t be questioning his position until 2026 at the earliest. But that’s just my personal outlook.
     
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    That's fair enough he's definitely built a good team but the fact he only has one trophy and that was a while ago is a concern. Season isn't over though I guess and you could still win something albeit it will be tough.
     

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