It's much easier seeing the mistakes / signs when you've got the benefit of knowing who the traitors are. Mafia's a really good sign of how hard it is. Alternatively I think 'The Mole' show on Netflix is a good glimpse at how difficult it is - you don't know who the mole is in that and you spend the entire show second-guessing who it is. Anyway.. Spoiler: Episode 10 Ross doomed from the start unfortunately. From Andrew's perspective I think they really need to kill off Mollie tonight - she's a big Harry ally and he has no chance of winning as long as she's there. Harry won't split the money with Andrew so he needss to get Harry's biggest ally out. I think Harry can still spin it positively if Mollie does go but it's a must-kill for Andrew and she won't be banished. Jaz is rivalling Harry for player of the match imo. He's played the faithful role so well. I don't think Harry is aware of Jaz's suspicion and he's just biding his time to strike. I think Jaz is the biggest threat to Harry winning this. Big difference between this and mafia is that there is money involved. I think Andrew and Harry would win this comfortably if they were playing for a team win but I don't think either traitor can trust the other to stay to the end. Andrew needs Harry gone and Harry will throw Andrew under the bus for the group to catch the "last" traitor.
Episode 10 was like watching an axe fall very slowly onto a spider glued to the floor Spoiler As much as I think Harry has had a fabulous game he's pretty smug about it when he's grinning like he's playing everyone like a Stradivarius and calling people 'baby traitors' I hope that Andrew finds a way to get him banished - the smugness does make his face look infinitely punch-able look
the thing about this type of show is that because we know we are waiting for someone to cotton on rather than trying to solve it ourselves. Spoiler: spoiler The fact that the kid is mouthing off like made to the cameras doesn't actually mean much. it is an opportunity to vent as much as anything because he is playing a game with andrew too he cannot be straight with him. to have a game face on for that many weeks non stop is difficult. being able to bus your team mate is great to buy some faithful credibility but you have to be fake solving this game all the time for weeks with peoepl watching and it only takes one slip up when planting a seed to be done.
Episode 10 Spoiler Dont think Andrew has it in him to trap Harry. His only chance is Jaz making that move, though I fancy him being the kill this night phase. I would be gobsmacked if it isn't Jaz. Harry will keep Zack alive to unleash him on Jasmine. I don't see him killing Mollie, and she is suspecting Andre now. On a side note, that was poor from Ross to throw Andrew under the bus so late. Would have made sense if it was at the start of discussion, but not so late. That was just petty.
Episode 11 Spoiler Feels like it is made for Harry. Dude even got the sword. Can see the others voting for Andrew, after stitching Evie. Mollie is completely in Harry's pocket. Unless Jaz acts, before one of Andrew and Evie is banished.
Spoiler: 12 Jazatha Christie almost played an absolute masterstroke. Leaving it to the last moment, why would he vote again if he was a Traitor? He had the game there, in his hands. Mollie has been through a lot and deserves much respect for what she's been through. But f*ckkkkk me, she was absolutely useless. They all were, apart from Harry, Jaz & Paul. Getting you heart broken by a f*ckboy on TV who already has a girlfriend. Savage
Spoiler: Final episode Fair play to Harry, he played a phenomenal game. I feel sorry for Molly there. Jaz has excellent, he just left it too late I think.
Spoiler: spoiler basically harry was caught in a lie at the table and then it ess ignored. he said he didn't speak to Paul then admitted he did and made a really weak argument and then voted off evie andrew then made a horrid argument to jazz also ignoring the lie right out in the open. andrews total lack of cogent argument on his votes imo did for him and thats basically that he's gone to throw harry under the bus there cos he got to talk first. harry went and sounded reasonable but threw random at Andrew when jazz was also on him. when actually under pressure at the table harry looks so poor molly was blind to harry totally, be it age or buddy buddy but what i was amazed at was here having a massive glass of wine after the first vote when clear heads are needed. in the end jazz lost the money because he knew full well he had a suspect and hes not seen the direct attack from nowhere being traitor on traitor for all the money molly lost the money weeks ago. molly decided that was it in relief and was not thinking. that is in the end on jazasto go for the banish but she is dim as no single traitor votes to go again. if she honestly thinks jazz was a traitor there why would he go again. he literally had no choice there and beleive in the end harry was was a traitor. no traitor ever goes again when they have it won. its blindingly obvious and the evidence is there in front of her. she made a massive error drinking after the first vote ino. what happened in front of here was clear evidence. lol she absolutely deserves to lose it all. jazz deserved it as he had suspicions and didn't take him out when the takes were way lower.
Spoiler: Ending Gutted for Jaz. I think that was a faultless faithful performance. I get what Lugna is saying but you can't go too hard on Harry whilst he has the numbers in his favour. He had to keep himself in the game when suspicious of Paul and likewise when suspicious of Harry. If he'd spoken up earlier he probably doesn't reach the final round table. Ultimately I think Harry and Jaz both deserves the win. Unfortunate that they were on opposing teams. Harry had a few slips along the way but it was Paul that threw him under the bus with Jaz that would have lost him the game. Thought Evie and Andrew going was inevitable but they gave it the best they could at the end. Thoroughly enjoyable second season and I think we saw the benefit of players having watched the first season. Some of the gameplay and decision making was really good this year.
did the players going into this know how many traitors there are? I don't really know the rules but it seemed to be set up to last only a set time and the only way for a traitor to go was to be voted off. is that right? finally did they know when there was a death or recruit for sure?
Spoiler: spoiler i think andrew knew what was coming the second he was recruited and the second paul was bussed. he simply didn't have the skills to get at harry at all and went along with him on votes so only has himself to blame for leaving it that long. i do think the 3 faithful maybe should have know the count of faithful v traitors and had that possibility in their heads. the sequence of events seemed to aid harry and also hinder him as andrew spoke after jazz when he went for harry. had that happened first then maybe jazz might have had the opportunity to then speak when his bag went red and say that andrew v harry was traitor on traitor as he had to be thinking it but couodnt say a word. voting andrew off and not harry was a massive error imo as it would have been 2v2 vote. what would happen then
Watching the final episode, funny side note..m my friend was DJing at a bar in Soho last night and like half the cast walked lol. Chatted to Andrew, Ross, and that bloke who was the chess master. Turns out it wasn't Ross' idea to go on the show. His mum got on and then asked him if he'd go on for the whole mum/son narrative. His girlfriend seems pretty embarrassed by him lol.
Spoiler Can't overly fault Jaz, except he should have pressured Harry more after he caught his lie. Maybe Jaz is not the confrontational type. Both Andrew & Evie were toast, so didn't have any chance. Mollie was just, well.... She made me yell at the telly. As Lugna rightly says, all she had do was think why a traitor would risk a vote at 3. Fair play to Harry though. Played like a champ. Deserved it. Excellent season. The reaction videos are hilarious to watch.
Spoiler Jaz left it too late to make his move, should have tried sowing the seeds earlier. Regarding the final vote, I think the criticism of Mollie is a little unfair. There wasn’t forced to still be a Traitor in the game, so if she thinks that both remaining players are Faithfuls, she voted with who she would prefer to share that money with out of the remaining players.
Spoiler: Spoiler Because you have to remove sentimentality from things lime that, which is exactly why the Harry achieved what he achieved.
