I have started watching Second season of Australian Traitors. Unfortunately they have introduced few reality stars in it, & quite a few of contenders are downright annoying. This is where you have to admire the UK's casting agents, who have done a terrific job. On a side note, I glanced on reddit & apparently Traitors Norway's first two seasons are the absolute best. I have found them, but will watch them later because I don't want to exhaust myself with the show. Spoiler Most players voted against their best friends at some point of the show. They were willingly to entertain the idea that their best mate could be a Traitor. Mollie just refused to do that. She was totally blinded by Harry. With Jaz, I think he timed most things perfectly, but he didn't emphasise his points strongly. When he caught Harry with lie, he should have pressed more. That was his shortcoming.
in the UK show on week 1 was the start number of traitors revealed? what I read online (briefly) is thst some shows had it being said to be 3 and then changed to between 2 and 5. if this season 2 had 3 starters known and then 3 recruits (no kill = possible recruit) then is there any excuse for not counting off the traitors? if there was no kill is it assured there's a recruit as well? or will they die if not?
They don't know how many traitors there are at the beginning. Likewise they can't be 100% sure how many are recruited. Players can be protected from the night kill by having a shield so theoretically there is a situation where there could be no deaths and no recruits: Spoiler: Shield The night Harry had the shield it was assumed that Harry had been killed off by the traitors and it failed. I don't think many of them considered that Harry was a traitor and had actually recruited. The shield concept worked much better in season one I think. This season they usually knew who had the shield which was advantageous for the traitors. Spoiler: Ending It's easy playing the game and judging the decision-making from your sofa. Playing these games without money involved, you generally still respect the other players enough to consider all possibilities. It looks obvious with the benefit of having seen everything for four weeks but it's not like Mollie had 100% faith in Jaz either. She put faith in the player she was more sure of but it was essentially a coin flip for Mollie and sometimes you get it wrong. Harry was happy dragging Jaz along to the final and then got blindsided by Jaz's suspicion. You don't get the full-picture when you're in that situation and it's easy to put faith in the wrong people. Jaz should have been killed off long ago but Harry had trust in what he thought was an ally. It's very easy to get it right in the game but just as easy to get it wrong - particularly when the stakes are so high. Harry said himself that watching it back that there were moments he was close to getting caught.
Spoiler I do think Mollie messed up big time, the criticism is a little over the top. A bit of logical thinking was missing for me. A traitor wouldn't vote to banish as Jaz did, unless there were still two traitors left and they wanted to take the whole pot rather than splitting it. If Mollie thought this, then she would have realised she couldn't win and her vote was just to decide which of the other two takes home the prize money and as she was closer to Harry he was always going to come out on top... but if this was the case then it doesn't explain her reaction after Harry announced he was a Traitor, because she should have expected him to say this. I don't believe your scenario of three faithfuls and one voting to banish to get a bigger share would happen in reality, because the risk of going home with nothing instead of a third is too great, particularly as Jaz must have known Mollie would side with Harry over him. Ultimately there were only two likely scenarios at the end; either Jaz is a traitor in which case so is Harry (as above, and because if Jaz is the only traitor he already knows he has won so wouldn't vote to banish), or Jaz is a faithful and thinks either of the other two are traitors, and given Mollie knows she is faithful it must be the case that Harry is a traitor.
Spoiler: spoiler i thought thry all saw who won the sheilds traitors included so when harry grabbed a shield he sold a line. i didnt see this episode but saw the prior ones where shelields were clear who had one. id have been extremely suspect of anyone trying to make out faithful credibility based on unprovable evidence of who got attacked.
Spoiler Lets get things straight here ,Mollie was a complete airhead who wouldn't recognize a traitor if he jumped on her bed wearing a tee shirt that stated such. Absolutely vapid ,I mean she only noticed the f*cking statues outside on her last mission. Jaz must have thought he had played the perfect game with the last ban vote ,but never realized how completely oblivious someone could be to whats actually happening around them.
Spoiler Ironically I think Harry's was the only shield that wasn't common knowledge. He told some people as part of his plan but it wasn't known by everybody. When Claudia asked, Harry kept quiet. I think everyone else who received one claimed when asked, Claudia outright revealed one of them in one episode and some others were known because of how they were won. It worked much better in season one when the majority of the time it was kept secret.
Spoiler I watched this Claudia said that when Harry was in the middle of pulling off that plan, like in the tunnels, one of the producers gasped and said "he's ahead of us". I don't think they anticipated people to be as switched on as Harry and Jaz were. Also yes the announcing of shields was not something I liked this season, the game is already stacked in the favour of the traitors enough.
To be fair, in missions where shields were hidden and could be won without other players noticing, there was actually no requirement for shield holders to step forward. For some reason everyone just decided they'd tell the group anyway to make them not seem like a traitor, without realising this tactic would play right into the traitors' hands.
Spoiler The argument “Jaz wouldn’t have voted to banish again if he were a traitor” is too simple. Of course he wouldn’t. But just because he did, didn’t necessarily mean there had to be a Traitor left. By this time, they’d already Dispatched 5 Traitors, and it would have been a reasonable assumption that you’ve got rid of all of them. And in that situation, who are you gonna decide to screw over in the end - the person in the game you’re closest to, or someone else? And let’s be honest, this isn’t just on Mollie. No-one had suspicions about Harry, apart from Jaz - and even then it was really something Paul said - but he left it too late to drop that bombshell imo. It didn’t give chance for the other players to evaluate, and I think there was an opportunity on the previous day to float that idea, pull at the thread and maybe raise some questions in the other players’ heads.
Spoiler: spoiler thanks for this, I only saw a few people win them in trials in front of people, I'd agree that in general not knowing who had a shield would help the game mystery as the triators would have to sweat on it. I do think that someone claiming one after the night is over would look very suspect to me but most of all I think as theres 12 episodes the makers really want to ensure there's traitors left until the end but also that theres few players left. I would assume they adjust the plans according to what's happening. I think they whole goblet thing was a set up to get a traitor exposed and paul played that well by sending the others to look for it. the game is very different to mafia. You only get a prize if you live to the end so drawing suspicion or making yourself a target as a faithful is bad so shields are vital.
Spoiler This is my point. Jaz knew that Harry and Mollie were close, so if it came to a straight fight between them, Mollie would always side with Harry over him. Jaz is not going to vote to banish again if he believes that all three are faithful, because he knows Mollie will vote to banish him rather than Harry. Ignore, see edit. Jaz is not going to vote to banish again if he is a traitor alongside Harry, because as above he will lose in a straight vote. Jaz is not going to vote to banish again if he is the only traitor, as he has won already. Therefore the only option left is that Jaz has to be a faithful and (most likely) he thinks either Mollie or Harry are a traitor, and as Mollie knows she is faithful then to ensure she wins she has to vote for Harry. Edit: I've thought some more and for Mollie to win it actually doesn't matter whether Jaz believes there is another traitor or all three are faithful. At the point he votes to banish again then logically he must be a faithful as per above and so Mollie has to vote for Harry to guarantee a share of the prize.
Didn't watch the first series, but watched the second one. Very enjoyable, more so than what I thought it would be. I will be tuning in for the 3rd one. I was going to sign my wife up for it, but you have to add a video of yourself, which is a bit annoying. Would have been quite funny to see her get asked to interview for it.
Spoiler "Jaz was probably the best faithful in the game....he had an open mind and questioned things. Mollie had a nightmare in the final, someone has already said it but as soon as Jaz voted to banish she should have known there was no chance of her winning and that Harry was a traitor (Jaz could have potentially been a traitor too but 100% Harry). I will say though it was good to see the traitors (Paul and Harry in particular) actually play the role of traitors and be open in the interviews and own what they were doing. "]
in the end its a show to entertain people yeah? so whoever is selected as traitor I presume its not done at random. they select who they think will be good at it rather than give up. I presume they also select people to clash and give good TV also. for a contestant to actually win the money they have to first survive to the end. this is not really conductive to actually finding traitors. People who don't talk behind others backs and people who are followers rather than aggressive will survive imo. there's a skill in not looking a threat while paying attention to whats going on. The thing i noted a lot was that a lot of people seemed to "relax" or pretend to relax after the round table vote. I also noted a lot of drinks being had and it was during this point of the day that a few traitor interactions occurred as well. I was looking at the episode with the cups. At least 3 people walked past the library and the pair were searching in there with no real quietness and they dragged Paul in too. (This episode was weeks ago so I'm not putting spoilers) Everyone seems to be having a big old party in the bar and nobody seems to notice things I was not sure if this library stuff and paul looking for his water bottle looked very unusual but the 3 people who looked as they past that had to put miles and harry together in their head. Finally in that episode you could see the person killed that night was counting heads while she was sat there. The thing i noted on the last episode more other than the obvious logics was after the round table some people were drinking
I didn’t watch the first series, so just decided to watch it on iPlayer now, and 20mins in, I’m thinking how annoying this group are compared to Series 2.
