the striker is stood right in front of the keeper, only the keeper will really know if it affected his vision of the header so I have no problem with a ref giving that as offside, providing they all do the same
Again it comes down to subjective opinion which not sure was the intention of VAR really . Just created more debate and confusion. Doesn’t help that different interpretations are used across the leagues and Europe either . Do they have the same problems elsewhere ?
I'm more interested in why the forest manager feels spurs should have a man sent off. Maddison did in firness swing a fist there. hardly a punch
Forest vs Wolves this weekend. VAR and the Premier League will have absolutely no clue who to shaft the most.
You will be seeing semi automated offsides at some point next which might improve the speed of decisions at least . Although no one seems quite sure when which is going to cause controversy and issues in itself potentially as can see decisions being made differently with human lines and a computer Premier League: Semi-automated offside technology to be introduced for first time next season
Seems stupid they can’t get it done for the start of the season. The tech has been around for a while. Otherwise, great development
in spite of much hatred it would seem, Dyche made a comment about VAR which pleased me - and I can't stand him so hardly enamoured with his comments usually UEFA are calling for more consistency to which : Everton manager Sean Dyche said the process is "a good thing for the outcomes of games" but added that he understood some frustrations. "The idea of VAR was to tidy up as many decisions as possible, and statistically it's shown that it is doing that," said Dyche. VAR: Uefa Board calls for improvement in consistency of decisions - BBC Sport VAR has a lot of detractors, every game you see fans moan about it but in looking for statistics to support what Dyche said found this albeit February Breakdown of the 20 VAR errors in the Premier League in 2023/24 (givemesport.com) now I won't go all "well this shows Liverpool are hard done by and not LiVARpool at all", but focus on there being less errors at the same stage this season as last, and 20/25 isn't nearly as bad as you'd think given all the outcry about VAR errors. What I'd like to see is showing onfield decisions vs onfield decisions plus VAR ie that it leads to more right decisions than we'd see without it at all - the whole point. sad fact with VAR is most statistics seem to be club focused, who is hard done by and who is better off, a problem with fans, statistics and generally which doesn't help. Sure it is inevitable some will end up better off and some worse off than others, but the goal is to try and minimise errors and people should accept VAR more instead of using it as a stick to beat rival clubs, officials etc with
The Swedish league have rejected VAR or rather their fans have and been heard. Sweden bows to fan power and becomes first country to reject VAR Do you think if they voted again the clubs here would agree to scrap it?
I hate VAR but unfortunately it's here to stay. Even if they binned it off for a season you know it'd be back after a year of moaning about poor decisions. The most logical step (as I repeatedly banged on about before it was introduced) is to use it only for offsides, and ideally use the semi-automated version with a bigger margin of error (i.e. daylight). Fouls and handballs will always be a matter of opinion and should be left up to the officials on the pitch. I think most fans would be happy with that.
Well done Sweden, a win for the sport and the people who watch it. Clubs over here wouldn’t want it to be scrapped, having invested money and reputation in making it work they will plough on regardless. Match-going supporters however, all day. Another gap between financial and sporting interests.
Agree and as Kirby says give it a month and the same people will be complaining about the bad decisions made in real time.
I sort of disagree. I think it's obvious that the introduction of VAR hasn't really improved the decisions made, the difference is that now we have to wait 2 - 5 minutes for the wrong decision. If we can accept that some decisions might be wrong over the course of the season then we can go back to trusting ther ref on the pitch and just getting on with the game.
I think match-going fans would 100% back it being binned and stick with that stance but managers/pundits would be calling for it again within a few months.
I think the current EFL shows fans are largely now happy to accept wrong decisions when they know the alternative is VAR. Take our game on Sunday - you could accept those decisions with no VAR as just home-leaning refereeing of marginal incidents. It’s just dramatically more annoying knowing a VAR has had all the time in the world to review the incidents and not corrected any of them (indeed reports are that they decided NOT to review the 3rd most stonewall incident, presumably due to incompetency or some internal politics between the refs).
Just accept that the ref is a part of the game. Some are better than others, sometimes they can’t see because someone is in the way. Why add another layer of refs? Goal-line tech etc. fine. Otherwise leave it alone.
I think most fans do. It's the managers and pundits that don't with their super slow mo replays and endless debates. Neil Warnock admitted yesterday as manager he wanted VAR but as a watching fan can see the issues.
Exactly. You look back at the early VAR posts on here and it was only the armchair fans who really wanted it. Maybe a couple of other naive ninnies. No match-going fan can genuinely claim it's improved the game. It's farcical, and more often than not you have both sets of fans booing it.
Allt his weekend shows is thst managers who don't get what they want whinge and those they do 0lay political games. I'd be better for all if media stopped constantly asking about it and managers stopped making stupid statements before they start getting charged. For me if there's any decisions to be made a ref himself should draw a box and go look. Culturally we have a major issue with referees guessing stuff and then ballsing it out claiming something and then getting backed to the hilt. This is really the issue with subjective decisions. One ref has a different opinion to another so it'd all inconsistent but then var also acts poorly but giving the ref on field advice or not. If the refs would draw a box and admit they need another view to make an important call thst would help. But the same for offsides. There was one this weekend thst was obviously called right by the lino but they still did the whole lines stuff. The stubbornness of the rule makers trying to make offside "perfect" by tinkering is one of the biggest bug bears. If the lino makes a call then the evidence should be clear and obvious before starting with lines. Is it 5mm this way or thst has zero impact on the game and should be ruled as such. If I were to send someone off or call a pen or not I'd want another look in a lot of cases. ffs let them whip out a phone and look lol.
