Another classic tactic. Just throw insults and labels. If someone is a bigot, or a racist, or a sexist, or filled with any other -ism that is considered socially abhorrent then it makes it easier to ignore them and sleep soundly at night. Mark my words, over the next couple of decades we will see the proof of the damage done to children in these clinics. There are already people who regret their transition and speak out against it happening to children but they are shouted down by people like yourself who claim to care about their mental health.
I didn't send that source, Stret did. The source I have quoted is from the German federal government. Jesus Christ.
Please forgive me for misattributing a forum post from 2 pages ago. The point still stands because you read it and didn't realize it wasn't really a fair article on the policy. No other major news publications speak of the parents of under 5's being able to change their gender. I think it would be an assumption grounded into reality to assume this is because, whilst technically possible under some extreme circumstance, these aren't applications that will be approved under anything but the most extreme of circumstances e.g. people who are intersex. In spite of this, we are also, as far as I am aware, only talking about transition in the form of a gender listed on a birth certificate that can be changed back.
Whether it's fair or not is irrelevant - I have no idea who it what that organisation is. What they said is still correct as proven by my link to the actual act. As for it only being the gender on the cerificate...well that's alright then. You don't think that if parents change the gender of their child and then spend their entire developmental lives treating them like that, it amounts to social conditioning?
The law we're discussing literally changes an M to an F (or vice versa) on a form mate, why are you talking about transitioning and physical damage?
BMFSFJ - Gesetz über die Selbstbestimmung in Bezug auf den Geschlechtseintrag (SBGG) As mentioned by Josh it is merely gender entry and first name. There is nothing stopping the child detransitioning later on should they feel themselves that they identify with the gender of their birth rather than the gender their parents decided for them in this scenario.
I think it does amount to social conditioning. I think practically every decision a parent makes for their child fits the definition of social conditioning. I think it is impossible to argue that parents don't teach their kids sociological processes that are approved of by society. I don't think parents should change the gender of their child at 0 years old and then treat their child as if they are a different gender. I think that is a decision for their child to make. What is legal does not, and has never in any country, acted as a perfect moral code - that is not what law is. That doesn't mean extreme circumstances don't occur whereby it would be ideal to change the child's gender to what German law describes as "diverse".
Nothing stopping them except for years and years of having their malleable brains conditioned by the parents who decided what gender their child identifies as before they can even remember anything else. I can't believe there are people that think this is ok. Before long you won't hear "would you like to know the sex?" at ultrasounds, you'll hear "what gender would you like to register it as?" so the doctor delivering it knows whether to tell you it's a boy or a girl. I'm glad even Labour are pushing back against this kind of crap.
'Even Labour' - Agree but this isn't really left/right. There's only a small % of the population that don't think this should be a decision made by the person involved, when they are old enough to know how they really feel.
Nice try Josh but I've addressed every point raised against me. And registering your child's gender before birth doesn't sound so absurd anymore. 10 years ago the idea of changing your babies gender at birth would have seemed like an absurd notion, now in Germany it's a reality. Amazingly the bill being discussed was supported by less than 50% of the German population but still made it into law.
So am I reading this right? In Germany you can change the gender at birth? I do not have a problem with an adult who has thought about it seriously and understands the consequences, to change gender, the whole op, the lot. I do think these subjects are being aired to children far too early and parents should not have the right to make a decision on their behalf. I don’t even like gender reveal partíes as a lot of the parents I’ve seen on social media are disappointed. Tell that to someone who can’t have children and forced to pay ££££s for IVF. I don’t want to get into an argument about this, just my own opinion.
Gender dysphoria affects such a small percentage of the population. Pretty remarkable that all four of her children have it. Sure there is no external influence on their decision at all.
I agree, if someone is raised by someone that teaches them to write using their left hand, they will end up left handed. If someone is raised by someone who tells their kids they are trans... Not sure what point you were trying to make but it backfired. Also quite funny that you ignored other people disagreeing with you and only replied to me. Seems i'm an acceptable target for some reason.
Then try explaining rather than insulting. What you posted is something that is not biological, it is a trained physical skill. It has no comparison whatsoever to transgenderism unless you are saying being transgender is also something constructed socially and is not scientific.
