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Sir Keir Starmer next PM

Discussion in 'Current Affairs' started by johnnyT, Apr 29, 2020.

  1. Arkwright

    Arkwright Barnsleytilidie

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    The fact that Abbott is a tone deaf bumbling fool has never had anything to do with her ethnicity. It is wrong to racially abuse anybody. Expecting the Tories to give back 10 million quid or not accept any more from a racist is a waste of time though.
     
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    Starmer criticises Nike over the flag nonsense.

    You'd literally have to cut my arm off and take it in yourself to get me to vote Labour.
     
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    Sadly I'm afraid the recent election-rigging ID rules introduced by the Tories mean your arm wouldn't be sufficient proof of identity.
     
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    King_Kenny JUSTICE FOR THE 97!

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    As were those that refused to vote for Corbyn in truth. We could all see what a lying corrupt self serving twat Johnson was, yet people ignored this because of the utter bullshit that was said about Corbyn (terrorist sympathiser, anti semite, racist, etc, etc, etc)

    No, he wasn't everyones cup of tea...but literally anyone on this planet could have done a better job than the Tory scum have this past decade.

    Saying that, I can't stand Starmer and dont think he is the man to take the party forward, but I'll be voting Labour as ever...just to get the scum out of power.
     
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    Absolutely right mush, if you're saying you're not going to vote for the labour candidate then you're also saying you're ok with the tory one, because that's basically what you're doing.

    I hate this "i'm alright jack" attitude that lets people get away with it. First step is to get these tory c*nts out, then we can fix what's wrong with labour
     
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    King_Kenny JUSTICE FOR THE 97!

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    Mate, I'd even vote for the war criminal Blair at this moment, just to get these ****s out!!!

    This country needs to be rid of these Tories and for a long long time, to recover.
     
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    Precisely. Whilst I'm unimpressed with grey-suited, within the M25 Knight of the Realm Starmer the only priority at the next election has to be kicking out the Tories. I honestly don't know why anyone at all, except perhaps the mega-rich would vote Tory next time, they've destroyed the NHS and shit on just about every social group in the country including their traditional support, the pensioners.
     
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    Funny thing is I remember people saying the same thing about Blair when he removed clause four, then he got elected and we had arguably the most positive period for normal period in my lifetime, with proper funding of public services, the minimum wage, working time improvements, investment in disability rights etc.

    Yeah he’s a war criminal but so are nearly every Tory and I’d rather have our lives improved than be shat on by elites who just want to make their mates richer


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  9. King_Kenny

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    Absolutely, had no issues with Blair whist he was there, thought he was, until his buddying up with Bush, a real decent PM, probs best we've had for decades.
     
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    I think Gordon Brown played an important role in domestic policy during that period. Credit to Blair for keeping him as his chancellor all that time, despite their issues.
     
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    Yeah Blair was a real shame. He won so many elections for a reason, because he was a very good Prime Minister who combined both electable personality and competence and generally did a very good job domestically.

    9/11 though was his downfall and he got caught up in Bush's desire for revenge and embarrassment that the most powerful nation in the world had been caught out in such a way with such a low tech attack. He backed Bush all the way believing it to be his duty as America's biggest ally and obviously was guilty of incredibly poor judgement over the decision to invade Iraq and exaggerate/completely fabricate evidence to get it through parliament.

    I think Blair got caught up in his own success too. Everything he'd touched had turned to gold at that point. The economy was booming, politically he was untouchable. He'd brought peace to Northern Ireland, something once thought impossible. And I think he believed he could bring his magic touch to the eternal warzone of the Middle East if he could just get the opportunity. Unfortunately it was a big step too far and not only did the Iraq/Afghanistan intervention fail miserably and cost loads of lives, money and made the situation in the region even worse. It also completely destroyed his and Labour's reputation and paved the way for the Tories getting back in and the disastrous decisions they've made over the past 14 years that have destroyed public services in this country, allowed Brexit to happen and created a mess that's now too big to fix.

    The credit crunch played a big role in Labour being voted out without question. But had Blair not destroyed his reputation with Iraq I think Labour could just about have rode it out and the total disaster of the last 14 years would have been largely avoided. Covid and Ukraine would still have happened but the problems that have exacerbated those disasters such as the complete destruction of all spare capacity and resilience in our public services and Brexit would have been avoided.
     
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    People still stating blairs a war criminal...odd.
     
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    I don't believe that he's a war criminal. I think that he did what he did with the best of intentions, believing it was the right thing to do for the greater good of the world and a few white lies to get the authorisation to go in were a price worth paying for the overall benefit of bringing stability to the Middle East and ending the lawless enclaves where terrorist groups like Al Qaeda can operate. I think he genuinely believed the idea of a democratic, Western friendly Iraq being a beacon that would radiate through the rest of the region and bring peace and a better, fairer way of life for the people living there. With the added benefit of making things easier for us in the West by stabilising a traditionally perpetually unstable and troublesome region.

    He just got the calculations spectacularly wrong and massively underestimated the difficulty in establishing a functional Western style democracy in a region of the world with a vastly different set of values and culture to what we have in the West. I think he believed his own hype after what he'd achieved in Northern Ireland and thought he could have the same kind of success elsewhere in the world. And he obviously ended up creating a far bigger mess than the one that he was originally trying to clean up.
     
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    I agree that rejoining the EU - even with a big majority as Labour are currently polling at - doesn't really make sense anytime soon. But they 100% need to be opening up talks about a closer alignment and an opening up in terms of trade and the movement of people.

    We've left the EU and learnt that it doesn't bring immigration down and it actually worsened the boat crossing issue. So surely all the people who voted Leave on those grounds can stomach returning to freedom of movement (or something similar) with the EU now? Please?

    ‘You’ve got to be joking’: Mandelson dismisses prospect of UK rejoining EU
     
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    brexit is done and the damage is done and cannot ever be repaired.

    why? the uk gave up all its special veto powers. try to re-enter and it would be on the eu terms.

    Best status would be eea level access like Switzerland etc.
     
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    Which is all we deserve
     
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    And the beat goes on
     

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