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Sir Keir Starmer next PM

Discussion in 'Current Affairs' started by johnnyT, Apr 29, 2020.

  1. Gloria Lestafan

    Gloria Lestafan I have a mandolin...

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    Still better than nothing. I really hope we drift towards a Norway/Switzerland style deal where we join the single market again in the future. Of course it’s not as good as it used to be, but anything is better than this hard Brexit bollocks
     
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    What are UK politicians doing with these incredibly large bribes? :hmmm
     
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    I know I'm late replying to this but the immigration issue hasn't really worsened and won't really "improve" if we bring back freedom of movement, it just shifts large groups of people from legal to illegal and vice versa.
    Illegal immigration has shot up, sure, but only because a proportion of those people would have made their way into the country easily due to freedom of movement and then disappeared when they got here. And again if we bring it back, there'll be less boats but only because there'll be more people coming through the tunnel and on the ferries with fake documentation - I remember how blasé the checks used to be at either end when freedom of movement was in place.
     
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    At the end of the day what does it matter? We have just swapped one thing for another. And torched our economy in the process - it is mental. Cool people aren't able to arrive via the channel tunnel illegally anymore, but all my costs have shot up. Feel like real winners....

    We left the EU without an agreement in place to make it easier to send those crossing back to France. Brexit has made it easier for small boat crossings to reach UK, refugees say

    Previously, when the UK was part of the EU, under a mechanism known as Dublin the UK could ask other EU countries to take back people they could prove had passed through safe European countries before reaching the UK.

    The UK could make “take charge” requests and officials were often able to prove that asylum seekers had passed through other countries thanks to the Eurodac fingerprint database. But since Brexit the UK no longer has access to that database, so it is harder to prove definitively which other European countries small boat arrivals to the UK have previously passed through.
     
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    Not trying to be facetious here but we know they've come from France, we can literally see them coming?
     
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    You have to be able to prove that though, maybe they came from Jersey. :shrug
     
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    I assume we know they didn't eminate from Jersey as it's partish of the UK, so pretty easy to check? :hmmm
     
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    I'm just saying it makes total sense that the burden of proof isn't just saying you saw them coming from the direction France is in.

    I can look outside and see people walking from the direction of my local Tesco but unless I can check their bank account details I cannot know for sure that's where they've just been. The UK's slapdash "deal" with the EU took away our access to details that would confirm people who had been in France, or other EU nations.
     
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    Not really. They'd have to have come an awfully long way to come across the channel if not from France, they'll have been tracked most of the way too. Circumstantial evidence is sufficient that they have come from France.
    It's irrelevant anyway, we no longer have a reciprocal agreement with France to return people to French shores, so even if they were wearing France football shirts, speaking French, waving French tricolours and singing La Marseillaise they can't be returned. :shrug
     
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    Clearly it isn't...
     
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    There's an awful lot of unsafe convictions in British jails then I reckon. :shrug
     
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    Your costs have shot up because the gov printed billions and shut production down in 2020 and 2021...
     
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    And you don't think having just left the EU months prior to this would have made the negative impacts of this even more severe?
     
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    Like the french customs helping to push the boats out to the channel for the smugglers you mena (joking but not joking)
     
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    No, many countries have had much worse inflation than use whilst being in the EU, inflation is entirely driven by money supply growth/productivity growth within an economy.
     
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    So you think leaving our biggest trading partner with a rushed through agreement has had no adverse effects on our economy at all...?
     
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    not its not solely but anyway.

    The laws of supply and demand apply. YOu are only talking about the supply of money (printing more) and Increasing demand (productivity)

    Diminishing supply and shortages can have a material effect on inflation as has been proven.
     
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    Demand is not productivity, you don't know what you're talking about here, productivity is supply and supply creates demand (say's law), you cannot consume what you don't produce.
     
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    ah but we don't actually produce a lot of stuff we consume and have to consume so we are at the mercy of those items

    there's still a population who have to eat and heat homes and so forth.

    inflation rises when supply shuts off but latent demand doesn't change. thsts what I am saying.
     

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