At least they moved on, the current Germans can't be blamed for what happend. The Argies still maintain their pathetic claim on the Falklands and stll throw out diplomatic spats.
Maybe because barely any Germans directly involved are still alive, whereas The Falklands was in our lifetime? 30 odd years ago.
Would you class Ronaldo as a great? Current Ronaldo that is? Who do you class as an all-time great? You judge players entire careers on a few matches in a world cup? You dismiss Messi's games against weaker opponents, yet 90% of games any great player plays in the world cup is against "weaker opposition".
I would say that Messi and Ronaldo are great players, the best of the current generation but neither have achieved enough or proven that they should be put in the same bracket with the all time great players. I've never said that Messi is a poor player. If he puts in a motm performance on Sunday, drags his Barca team back to the top then comes back in four years time and does it all again, Then he would have earned the right to say that he is one of the best of all time. And I will gladly admit that I was wrong.
While a World Cup winners medal is impressive it does not make a player great any more than not having one makes them shite. Platini and Socrates who I regard as two of the most graceful players to ever play the game never won a medal so I suppose they were really not that good. What a crock of shite if ever I heard it said.
Argentina have Messi, Brazil have Neymar, Portugal have Ronaldo, Germany have a team. Come on Germany!!!
If the next Maradona will be born in say Andorra, he will still be a world class player, despite that he will never make an appearance in a major tournament. Club football is a better measure of how good someone is.
I'm not quite sure of the relevance, his question was "Why do we dislike Argentina" he never mentioned Germany.
Agreed. The World Cup is a handful of games, a knockout tournie, were a lot of it has to do with the luck of the draw and a couple of games against top opposition. you only have to look at players like El Hadji Diouf, Roger Milla, Miroslav Klose, Dos Santos, etc as player who have regularly shone in the world cup, but barring Klose, have done next to nothing in their careers. Even Klose, highest ever goal scorer in the world cup is hardly a world class superstar, just a solid striker thats all. Claiming a player has to do it in the world cup to be an all-time great is ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous. Johan Cruyff never won a world cup, if anyone wants to tell me he's not an alltime great they need to go give their head a wobble.
Only on here could we bring war into a World Cup Final thread. I am waiting for someone to mention Maggie T is to blame for England's failure to win a tournament in the 1980's. The first one to mention her name wins a lifetimes supply of Gregg's pasties.
I've had this argument before. Its all about performing on the biggest stage. When their team reach the biggest, highest profile, High pressure games. Best never had the opportunity to go to the World cup so you can't judge him on that. So you judge him upon how he responded to the biggest games that he played in. He played in some massive games for utd in his time domestically and in Europe and virtually without exception he always stepped his game up and proved that he was the best player on that pitch. Thats what its all about. He, like the all the greats shaped and controlled those big games. It wasn't in their makeup to go missing when their team needs them most. They found a way to win those games for their club. Messi in those big games plays on the periphery way too much.
And you've watched all Best's big games right? You can't judge anyone solely on world cups, as I've just pointed out, Miroslav Klose, always turns up for the world cup, are you suggesting he's an all-time great? Giovani Dos Santos has looked superb in two world cups now but has done absolutely nothing on his club career. All-time great in your eyes though, because he performed on his highest stage. To me, the Champions League is probably a better competition in quality...Messi has never performed in that has he? Four times world player of the year, voted into the world alltime XI, 365 goals in just 457 (a good chance he'll pass 500 goals) club games at the very highest level, about 15 major trophies won and still only just turned 27 and you claim he's not an alltime great? Right In my eyes Maradona still "just" pips Messi, but I'd have Messi as a close second as alltime great footballers.
Should Muller score tomorrow he will create history ( assuming Messi does not get two ) by being the first player to have won two golden boots having won it in 2010.
